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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 26 avr. 2021
Publié: 26 avr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TBL)
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MTL
  1. Pitlick, Rem [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
SH doesn't want the recapture penalty, so they acquire Weber before he retires.
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MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
SEA
  1. Price, Carey
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Price waives his NMC because he will clearly never win a Cup here...
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26 avr. 2021 à 11 h 55
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I can't tell whether you love Veleno or hate Drouin, either way I would not make that trade.
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26 avr. 2021 à 11 h 56
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I can't tell whether you love Veleno or hate Drouin, either way I would not make that trade.


both, good catch : )
26 avr. 2021 à 11 h 56
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Ok Hab's fans, you pesetered Wing's fans all last summer with the crappy Domi for Mantha trades.

Please stop with the Drouin trades, Yzerman and Drouin have a BAD history dating back to their time in TB. There is ZERO chance Stevie takes on Drouin and Veleno is a promising center who Wing's scouts said played very well in Sweden.

So please not this summer.
26 avr. 2021 à 12 h 2
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Ok Hab's fans, you pesetered Wing's fans all last summer with the crappy Domi for Mantha trades.

Please stop with the Drouin trades, Yzerman and Drouin have a BAD history dating back to their time in TB. There is ZERO chance Stevie takes on Drouin and Veleno is a promising center who Wing's scouts said played very well in Sweden.

So please not this summer.


Yeah "pestered" them and yet they got nearly the exact same return for Mantha this year... lol
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26 avr. 2021 à 12 h 16
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Yeah "pestered" them and yet they got nearly the exact same return for Mantha this year... lol


WHAT?

The offers ranged from Domi, Mete and a 2nd, Mete and 2 2nds, or Domi straight up. We recieved a better player in Vrana, Panick who is a depth player and two picks, one being a 1st, how do those compare?

Domi has done nothing in Columbus and Mete can not break into the lineup. Yzerman got alot more than any Hab's fans were offering by a mile
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26 avr. 2021 à 12 h 23
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Quoting: TheGHANDI90
Yeah "pestered" them and yet they got nearly the exact same return for Mantha this year... lol

Not even close. We got an INFINTIELY better return, than 95% of the AGMs that Montreal fans presented.
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Ok Hab's fans, you pesetered Wing's fans all last summer with the crappy Domi for Mantha trades.

Please stop with the Drouin trades, Yzerman and Drouin have a BAD history dating back to their time in TB. There is ZERO chance Stevie takes on Drouin and Veleno is a promising center who Wing's scouts said played very well in Sweden.

So please not this summer.

I couldn't see this trade happening either, but Yzerman would have to take it if it were presented. I'm sure Yzerman could then flip Drouin for other assets as well and the cumulative assets would be worth more than Veleno, even with how much I like him.
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26 avr. 2021 à 12 h 58
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Either he's being disingenuous or he's senile because he posted one those lame trades you're talking about: [url=]https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1882663[/url]


You have wayyyy too much time on your hands 😂

Also, Domi +2nd for just Mantha is almost exactly the same return as Mantha for Vrana, Panik cap dump + 1st +2nd...

If you want me to match that trade that DET actually accepted, it would have been Domi + Byron + 1st + 2nd for Mantha, so really, how is that any better?
26 avr. 2021 à 13 h 0
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WHAT?

The offers ranged from Domi, Mete and a 2nd, Mete and 2 2nds, or Domi straight up. We recieved a better player in Vrana, Panick who is a depth player and two picks, one being a 1st, how do those compare?

Domi has done nothing in Columbus and Mete can not break into the lineup. Yzerman got alot more than any Hab's fans were offering by a mile


You DO realize that it was Mantha for Vrana +2nd and Panik cap dump +1st right? -__-
26 avr. 2021 à 13 h 48
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Quoting: TheGHANDI90
You have wayyyy too much time on your hands 😂

Also, Domi +2nd for just Mantha is almost exactly the same return as Mantha for Vrana, Panik cap dump + 1st +2nd...

If you want me to match that trade that DET actually accepted, it would have been Domi + Byron + 1st + 2nd for Mantha, so really, how is that any better?


Nope. I just have a really good memory. The fact that you were trying to argue that Mantha and Domi were comparable players a year ago was annoying. The fact that you're STILL doing it is pathetic and sad.
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26 avr. 2021 à 15 h 27
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What in the actual F are you blathering about?


Vrana has 31 points and is positive with both Wings and Caps, Domi has 21 points and is a minus 17 with a team who preaches defense. Domi and Vrana are not compatible and Panick versus Byron are a wash. Though I would rather have Panick then Byron. Your trade is still not as good as the one Washington gave Yzerman.

Plus Panick is cheaper and 1 year younger
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26 avr. 2021 à 15 h 36
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Vrana has 31 points and is positive with both Wings and Caps, Domi has 21 points and is a minus 17 with a team who preaches defense. Domi and Vrana are not compatible and Panick versus Byron are a wash. Though I would rather have Panick then Byron. Your trade is still not as good as the one Washington gave Yzerman.

Plus Panick is cheaper and 1 year younger


Ya the trade that actually went down made it clear that we were quite right in what we would expect in return for Mantha and every single Habs fan was comically incorrect. That return for Mantha was serious.
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26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 10
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Nope. I just have a really good memory. The fact that you were trying to argue that Mantha and Domi were comparable players a year ago was annoying. The fact that you're STILL doing it is pathetic and sad.


And so if that's pathetic, what is you thinking Mantha + a 2nd for Domi + a 6th isn't equivalent to Mantha for Vrana + Panik (capdump) + 1st + 2nd?
26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 15
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Vrana has 31 points and is positive with both Wings and Caps, Domi has 21 points and is a minus 17 with a team who preaches defense. Domi and Vrana are not compatible and Panick versus Byron are a wash. Though I would rather have Panick then Byron. Your trade is still not as good as the one Washington gave Yzerman.

Plus Panick is cheaper and 1 year younger


Vrana is 25yrs old and has never scored more than 52pts. Domi is 26 and has scored 52 his rookie year and 72 a few years ago... tell me again how you think they aren't relatively comparable?

and yes Panik is cheaper and one year younger and has had one season of 20+ goals, Byron has had 2 and 15g in 56 games 2 years ago... tell me again how Panik as a cap dump isn't similar to Byron?
26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 17
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Ya the trade that actually went down made it clear that we were quite right in what we would expect in return for Mantha and every single Habs fan was comically incorrect. That return for Mantha was serious.


The trade that actually went down only made it clear that us habs fans were exactly right with what Mantha was worth, and that you wings fans were being true fanatics and overrating your own players. Not totally surprising tbh
26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 37
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The trade that actually went down only made it clear that us habs fans were exactly right with what Mantha was worth, and that you wings fans were being true fanatics and overrating your own players. Not totally surprising tbh


You're living in an alternate reality....the Caps didn't give up a 1st to get rid of Panik.

Vrana, Panik, a 1st AND a 2nd....Domi and some garbage lol
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26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 46
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You're living in an alternate reality....the Caps didn't give up a 1st to get rid of Panik.

Vrana, Panik, a 1st AND a 2nd....Domi and some garbage lol


How did they not, that's what it takes to shed cap in a PANDEMIC. Where have you been living for the last 14months?
26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 47
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How did they not, that's what it takes to shed cap in a PANDEMIC. Where have you been living for the last 14months?


lol....yikes.
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26 avr. 2021 à 17 h 50
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lol....yikes.


Yeah yikes is right. Somehow you think Vrana is some kind of legend and yet has similar numbers to Domi, who has similar numbers to Mantha lmfao
26 avr. 2021 à 19 h 51
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Yeah yikes is right. Somehow you think Vrana is some kind of legend and yet has similar numbers to Domi, who has similar numbers to Mantha lmfao


At this rate Vrana will hit 20g for the 3rd straight season and Drouin had A 20g season back in the 2016-17. Even if there was no bad blood between Drouin and Yzerman he's not worth Vrana or Bertuzzi. But Drouin is worth about Domi, he has a couple more points this season but he also get about 2 more minutes a game than Domi does.
27 avr. 2021 à 19 h 48
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At this rate Vrana will hit 20g for the 3rd straight season and Drouin had A 20g season back in the 2016-17. Even if there was no bad blood between Drouin and Yzerman he's not worth Vrana or Bertuzzi. But Drouin is worth about Domi, he has a couple more points this season but he also get about 2 more minutes a game than Domi does.


That's nice. All i'm saying is homer fans think they're players are worth way more than the value they actually hold. I wasn't comparing Drouin to Vrana I was saying Domi has similar or better numbers than Vrana... and both were cast out by their former teams, so it's quite an easy comparison even tho redw1n9s won't like to admit it.
27 avr. 2021 à 21 h 5
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That's nice. All i'm saying is homer fans think they're players are worth way more than the value they actually hold. I wasn't comparing Drouin to Vrana I was saying Domi has similar or better numbers than Vrana... and both were cast out by their former teams, so it's quite an easy comparison even tho redw1n9s won't like to admit it.


Ok I agree they have similar numbers and Domi's ppg is about .10 higher than Vrana's. Domi's numbers are steadily falling while Vrana's continue to rise. Plus Domi has averaged a full 3 minutes more of ice time a game. With out Larkin, Bertuzzi, Fabbri and Ryan and those 4 player account for about 30% of Detroit's goals this season. Vrana will probably get all the ice time he wants. Since their numbers are close would take Domi over Vrana?
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Ok I agree they have similar numbers and Domi's ppg is about .10 higher than Vrana's. Domi's numbers are steadily falling while Vrana's continue to rise. Plus Domi has averaged a full 3 minutes more of ice time a game. With out Larkin, Bertuzzi, Fabbri and Ryan and those 4 player account for about 30% of Detroit's goals this season. Vrana will probably get all the ice time he wants. Since their numbers are close would take Domi over Vrana?


Oh of course, I never said the opportunity wasn't there for him to succeed. But until he proves he can put up a 65-75pt season on a team not as stacked as Washington, (and in detroit my guess is he'll be leaned on heavily), I will continue to disagree with those certain wings fans who believe domi is a steaming pile of turd and vrana isn't just another martin havlat...
 
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