Not enough

How much more would you give Columbus?

No way they accept a trade where it could be Laine + 1st for 4th + scrubs

If Clarke and Guenther were picked and it was just centermen and LDs I would trade the 4th overall probably directly

I did say the trade could wait until after the draft lottery when we would know where the picks end up.

Obviously, if Columbus' pick won the lottery, the trade would be called off.

I don’t see OTT getting a pick back in this deal, probably switching White with Norris also.

Maybe
Laine + 2nd
For
Norris + Brown + Tierney + 1st

Ya, that's a no go from me :/

Until Laine shows signs of emerging from rock bottom, he ain't worth it

the values probably right but i cant see them parting with norris and the 2021 1st, would leave our future options at C really thin

id just draft guenther

The problem is Laine has otherwise shown himself to be a top-tier goal-scorer in this league. But if the central point is that “he’s not that good because he had one bad year with Torts,” people think they can run rough-shod and buy him for pennies on the dollar. Re-frame how this trade would have looked two months ago if it were being made with WPG.

Point being, yeah, CBJ ain’t gonna send a first back. Nor a second. And they’d likely even ask for more with all this.

This ain’t calling you out specifically. Just generally frustrating with what I’ve seen from a lot of ACGM - people want to pine on Laine and slot him on their top-line, yet think they can score him for cheap after one bad season under a coach they also concede has under/mis-utilized him.

Ya, I agree. Most people make trades that in their mind work if you compare players with dollar bills. I give you 4 $5 bills and you give me a $20 bill.. we both have the same value right?! But with players you need to consider that those “$20 bills” are far more valuable than the stack of $5’s.

Norris alone is probably close to if not equally as valuable as Laine at this point. Not that Laine isn't valuable, but Norris is for real

Norris is = to one of the best goal scorers in the league?! Laine on average has the longest goals among forwards who score goals. A kid that can score 40+ goals a season.. I guess Connor Brown is worth McKinnon now too

Well if you're going to extremes like that, I would argue that Victor Hedman is better than Laine and he's not one of the best goal scorers in the league. They're completely different players. But now that you mention it, Josh Norris isn't too bad of a goal scorer himself. He has as many goals (and more points) than Laine this season as a rookie.

But that's not my point. Obviously Laine is the better goal scorer. My point is to put a bit of respect on Norris' name. He is already the first line centre of the Sens as a rookie and putting up respectable numbers. And it's not the numbers that is most impressive, he's going up against Matthews or Scheifele or McDavid, etc. every night and showing off how good of a 200 foot game he has (he's even 54% in draws). There is so much potential here which is why he is so valuable.

On Laine's side of the value, yes he's a gifted goal scorer which is hard to come by, but you can't ignore why he didn't work out in Winnipeg or Columbus. He doesn't offer a lot besides his offence which is why coaches don't trust him and he doesn't get big ice time. He's still extremely valuable, but you can't just ignore that. To throw someone with as much potential as Norris in along with a top 5 pick and 2 other assets for a guy who already hasn't worked out for the two teams he's been on... it's time to rethink that idea of yours.

The Sens got Norris, Tierney and the 3rd overall pick in the Karlsson trade. Just ask San Jose how that worked out for them.

What Jarmo needs to ask himself is who does he value more?

Laine or Torts?

If he hasn't figured it out by now, he shouldn't be GM of the jackets anymore.

If you bring both Laine and Torts back next season, it would look really odd.



I have a hunch that Jarmo has figured it out well in advance and has a good sense on what is in the best interests of the Jackets.

That means Torts probably gets replaced as head coach once the season is over while Laine gets a qualifying offer of 7.5 million.

If Torts can't get along with Laine after proving he can't get along with PLD, then maybe Torts is the problem in Columbus.

If Laine's goal scoring takes off next season when Torts is gone, it would all but confirm that suspicion.



In that case, I will be more inclined to make a fair trade for Laine as an ACGM on capfriendly than what is seen here.

In Jarmo we trust!

Agreed. The most likely outcome here is Torts’ contract isn’t renewed, and Laine signs a one-year deal.

Said it before - only way Laine is traded between now and next trade deadline is if somebody overpays along the line of what the would have gotten for PLD+.

So it sounds like you believe that Norris is basically a 7M+ player and you should keep him and pay him instead. I don’t see many people agreeing with that

Nope I didn't say that but it does sound like you believe a 21 year old top-6 centre carries no value just because he hasn't scored 40 goals yet. I don't see many people agreeing with that.

He has value goof... you’re gravely mistaken... I wouldn’t do the trade if I was a sens fan, but that is certainly the type of package to get Laine. This is comparable to Eichel, you have to overpay with a package of prospects who inevitably are worth more to get the best player in the deal. It’s really not rocket science. It’s the very reason I don’t want to acquire JE.. too costly. It’s also the reason you and other fans shouldn’t want to acquire Laine... too costly. I hope this is layman enough

I think you're exaggerating the price a little bit though. Leaving L.Brown and Chris Tierney out of it, you're adding Josh Norris AND a top 5 (likely top 2) pick in the draft for him. That's just banana lands. I don't know if you're underestimating the value of those things or overestimating that value of Laine but that just ain't it. There are a lot of star players who've been traded for a lot less than that

You’re free to have your own opinion, everyone has the right to be wrong.