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Créé par: OldNYIfan

Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota

Date de création initiale: 17 avr. 2021

Publié: 17 avr. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Spitballing some ideas for trading Matt Dumba so that Minnesota can go 7-3-1 for Seattle. Trade made prior to the expansion draft so that Minnesota can protect Foligno, Greenway and Schmaltz in addition to the two NMCs and Eriksson Ek and Fiala. Qualifying exposures: Hartman, Rask and Sturm, Soucy, and one of the goaltenders. Exempt: Allison, Boldy, Kaprizov and Rossi.

Arizona has a protection slot open for a defenseman, but it's highly questionable whether they'd be willing to part with Schmaltz. But the two extra draft picks may persuade them if Dvorak and Hayton are deemed future top-2 centers.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill	3	5 500 000 $
Fiala, Kevin	2	4 500 000 $
Hartman, Ryan	3	2 850 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Cole, Ian	2	2 750 000 $
Bonino, Nick	2	2 750 000 $
Bjugstad, Nick	3	2 250 000 $

Transactions

MIN

Schmaltz, Nick

ARI

Dumba, Matt
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MIN)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (MIN)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	81 500 000 $	67 180 834 $	0 $	882 500 $	14 319 166 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kaprizov, Kirill 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG UFA - 5	Schmaltz, Nick 5 850 000 $5 850 000 $ AD, C UFA - 5	Fiala, Kevin 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Greenway, Jordan 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Rask, Victor 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 1	Zuccarello, Mats 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 3
Parise, Zach 750 000 $750 000 $ (750 000 $$750K) AG UFA - 1	Bonino, Nick 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Hartman, Ryan 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3
Foligno, Marcus 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Rossi, Marco 894 167 $894 167 $ C RFA - 4	Bjugstad, Nick 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
	Sturm, Nico 725 000 $725 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Suter, Ryan 3 650 000 $3 650 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Spurgeon, Jared 7 575 000 $7 575 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Talbot, Cam 3 666 667 $3 666 667 $ G UFA - 2
Brodin, Jonas 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Addison, Calen 795 000 $795 000 $ (132 500 $$132K) DD RFA - 2	Kähkönen, Kaapo 725 000 $725 000 $ G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Cole, Ian 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

18 avr. 2021 à 18 h 24

#26

Morzski

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Quoting: Wildwinswhen

I agree that 8-1 is off the table. I'd prefer to trade Dumba if possible even if the return isn't ideal. But I can't see GMBG adding picks to our side of that trade unless it's our 4th for their 5th or something like that.

That being said, I like Schmalz. I like Arizona as a trading partner. If there was a lower asking price for him, I'd be very interested. But I wouldn't give up a first, Rossi, or Boldy.

So still wondering why is 8-1 off the table? If BG can't get a good return for Dumba why not keep him and let Seattle take Greenway? Or are you valuing Greenway more than Dumba?

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18 avr. 2021 à 18 h 45

#27

wabit

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I wouldn't say 8-1 is completely off the table, but I do think it's less likely than it was at the start of the season. Dumba is not putting up the points and not being used on the PP to really make it an easy decision to protect him.

His play has been fine, but has he been worth his $6m contract this year? He wasn't worth it last year, and the year before that he got injured and missed most of the season. I can make an argument for protecting him in an 8-1, or leaving him exposed in a 7-3-1.

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18 avr. 2021 à 18 h 45

#28

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Quoting: Morzski

Dumba for Schmaltz 1 x 1 isn't the value I'd hope for in a trade with AZ but if that's the best value BG could get so be it. MN would get a serviceable top 6 C while alleviating the expansion draft issues.

Maybe I missed it but, what was the rational for the 8-1 being off the table? If there is no Dumba trade to be had I'd rather have Seattle take Greenway than Dumba. Both are playing well this year. The getting cap space relief for Dumba is only a 1 year fix as Greenway would need a new contract with, I assume, a big raise.

Simply put, why lose a guy you like when there is a reasonable alternative? Going 8 and 1 means losing one of Foligno, Greenway or Hartman. If Dumba can be traded (presumably for an expansion-draft-exempt asset or two), then the loss to Seattle is a marginal player. And the theory behind losing Dumba is that the cap relief is worth it -- an evaluation with which I don't personally agree.

18 avr. 2021 à 19 h 0

#29

Morzski

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Quoting: wabit

Quoting: OldNYIfan

I could just see a real possibility where the other GMs give cents on the dollar for Dumbas value pre expansion draft. If the return is worse than the value of Greenway, assuming he's who Seattle takes, I'm ok just letting him be taken as I value Dumba more than Greenway.

18 avr. 2021 à 19 h 23

#30

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Quoting: Morzski

Simply put pre-injury Dumba = Hamilton, now Dumba = Risto (just on a competent team). Wild fans (and GM) want Hamilton value for Dumba, but he hasn't been that guy in a couple of years now.

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20 avr. 2021 à 16 h 41

#31

Wildwinswhen

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Quoting: Morzski

So still wondering why is 8-1 off the table? If BG can't get a good return for Dumba why not keep him and let Seattle take Greenway? Or are you valuing Greenway more than Dumba?

I value Greenway more than Dumba. Dumba is a 6M cap hit that can be better used for part of Kaprizov and/or Fiala. Also, we have Addison and Mermis ready to step up to the RD2 slot for much less. Dumba has not brought his offensive game since his injury two years ago. Ultimately, Greenway is much harder for us to replace.

20 avr. 2021 à 17 h 4

#32

wabit

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Quoting: Wildwinswhen

Mermis is a 27 yo LHS d-man with 22 career games and is a UFA after the season.

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21 avr. 2021 à 0 h 1

#33

Wildwinswhen

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Quoting: wabit

Mermis is a 27 yo LHS d-man with 22 career games and is a UFA after the season.

He looked good next to Brodin in the games he played this year.

21 avr. 2021 à 5 h 10

#34

wabit

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Quoting: Wildwinswhen

He looked good next to Brodin in the games he played this year.

It was 2 games, and to be fair most everyone looks good next to Brodin.

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