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Sick of these Eichel trades

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Date de création initiale: 15 avr. 2021
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Stop trading for him. We’d assemble a better team long term without him and his $10 mil cap hit. Think long term about everyone that needs to be signed. Eichel will force us to lose a lot of depth and quality young players. We’ve got a flat cap to deal with for the next few years. Eichel would be a shortsighted move with the cap.
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15 avr. 2021 à 18 h 49
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agreed 100% he's not even a top 10 player in the league
15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 3
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Are Zibanejad and Strome/Chytil going to be the future centers for the Rangers?
15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 6
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Are Zibanejad and Strome/Chytil going to be the future centers for the Rangers?


They very well may be. Chytil will most likely be our 2nd line center. And honestly I could see them keeping Mika. The difference between Mika and Eichel isn’t worth making such a trade at all even though Eichel is better.
15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 50
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I agree. Build the culture here. We need a winning culture and that is what we are moving with in this group. Eichel always has that dirty diaper look
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15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 51
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I agree. Build the culture here. We need a winning culture and that is what we are moving with in this group. Eichel always has that dirty diaper look


Couldn’t say so better myself. We need to keep building the culture and I think our current group will get there with patience.
15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 54
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Finally someone that makes sense.........BRAVO!
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15 avr. 2021 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: Devil1122
Are Zibanejad and Strome/Chytil going to be the future centers for the Rangers?


Maybe/maybe not, time will tell, but if not, there are other options than Eichel and his neck issue. Not sure why so many people are down on Strome, a guy that averages the same points per game since he has been a Ranger as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and at a lot lower cost. And Chytil is only 21. Don't forget Morgan Barron will be heard from next season. SAY NO TO ALL EICHEL TRADES!!!!
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 0
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i mean to extend Mika is going to cost about 9.5 x 7 to start the conversation (you have the guy who just signed Trouba and Kreider doing the negotiations so any notion of a "home town deal" is a ****ing joke) So the cap hits between Mika and Eichel are negligible long term.

As for the offer, Eichel's cost is what 4 1sts. Trading Mika to a 3rd team nets you at least 2 1st equivalents, and then add like Schneider and our own 1st and that should get you Eichel.

So the question now becomes "Would you pay a 1st and Schneider to swap the value of Mika's age 30-36 seasons for Eichel's age 25-30 seasons"? If you know anything about aging curves, that's a rhetorical question. So yeah an Eichel trade makes a lot of sense for the Rangers. Fortunately the price is going down not up.
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 5
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i mean to extend Mika is going to cost about 9.5 x 7 to start the conversation (you have the guy who just signed Trouba and Kreider doing the negotiations so any notion of a "home town deal" is a ****ing joke) So the cap hits between Mika and Eichel are negligible long term.

As for the offer, Eichel's cost is what 4 1sts. Trading Mika to a 3rd team nets you at least 2 1st equivalents, and then add like Schneider and our own 1st and that should get you Eichel.

So the question now becomes "Would you pay a 1st and Schneider to swap the value of Mika's age 30-36 seasons for Eichel's age 25-30 seasons"? If you know anything about aging curves, that's a rhetorical question. So yeah an Eichel trade makes a lot of sense for the Rangers. Fortunately the price is going down not up.


Where are you getting 2 1sts for Mika cause that won’t happen? Even if Mika isn’t resigned I’d rather take my chances in the draft then spend $10 mil for Eichel and lose 4 1st or equivalent of value. 1 guy won’t get us to the cup. It’s delusional to think Eichel is the difference here.
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 8
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i mean to extend Mika is going to cost about 9.5 x 7 to start the conversation (you have the guy who just signed Trouba and Kreider doing the negotiations so any notion of a "home town deal" is a ****ing joke) So the cap hits between Mika and Eichel are negligible long term.

As for the offer, Eichel's cost is what 4 1sts. Trading Mika to a 3rd team nets you at least 2 1st equivalents, and then add like Schneider and our own 1st and that should get you Eichel.

So the question now becomes "Would you pay a 1st and Schneider to swap the value of Mika's age 30-36 seasons for Eichel's age 25-30 seasons"? If you know anything about aging curves, that's a rhetorical question. So yeah an Eichel trade makes a lot of sense for the Rangers. Fortunately the price is going down not up.


Let the price go where it goes.....JUST SAY NO TO ALL EICHEL TRADES.
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15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 13
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Let the price go where it goes.....JUST SAY NO TO ALL EICHEL TRADES.


Thank you!!
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 38
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Where are you getting 2 1sts for Mika cause that won’t happen? Even if Mika isn’t resigned I’d rather take my chances in the draft then spend $10 mil for Eichel and lose 4 1st or equivalent of value. 1 guy won’t get us to the cup. It’s delusional to think Eichel is the difference here.


lol you'd be out of your mind to think Mika wouldn't get a 1st + A level prospect this offseason. He's averaging 89 points over the last 2 seasons while PKing and playing top level D. He'd be the best C traded in a long long time. He's a better player than Duchene, ROR, Lindholm, etc. Even going back to guys like a young Jeff Carter or Mike Richards, he's better than that. So yeah he'll get the equivalent of 2 1sts. How much more? tbd.

Again, you wouldn't be spending 10 mil for Eichel and lose 4 1sts.

You'd spend 5 mil more for 1 year and then 0 more than you would if you had resigned Mika. And the cost to have someone slightly better than Mika in his 20's vs. watching Mika break down in his 30's while paying the same cap is just a 1st + Schneider... you'd be crazy not to do that..

But then again you're talking about finding a 1C late in the draft so maybe that makes sense lol.
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 46
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Let the price go where it goes.....JUST SAY NO TO ALL EICHEL TRADES.


I mean I'm with you in terms of the typical stuff here. Rangers probably won't have to pay any of Laff, Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre, Fox, Igor, Lundkvist, Kravtsov.

But If I told you all you'd have to pay to swap Mika with Eichel is a mid 1st in a crummy draft and a RHD in Schneider, who would be a 3rd pair guy at best in NY because he's blocked by Fox/Lundkvist. You wouldn't do that? You'd be insane not to do that.

You want to watch Mika slow down at 33 while paying him 10 mil and realize he still has 3 more years left on his deal? You remember how things felt earlier this season? Here's your opportunity to get younger. Take it.
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 48
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I mean I'm with you in terms of the typical stuff here. Rangers probably won't have to pay any of Laff, Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre, Fox, Igor, Lundkvist, Kravtsov.

But If I told you all you'd have to pay to swap Mika with Eichel is a mid 1st in a crummy draft and a RHD in Schneider, who would be a 3rd pair guy at best in NY because he's blocked by Fox/Lundkvist. You wouldn't do that? You'd be insane not to do that.

You want to watch Mika slow down at 33 while paying him 10 mil and realize he still has 3 more years left on his deal? You remember how things felt earlier this season? Here's your opportunity to get younger. Take it.


I’d rather not do that for Eichel. Barkov yes. McDavid yes. Drasaitl yes. Matthews yes. Point yes. And obviously MacKinnon yes. I’m not sold on Eichel being the key. Those others I’d do it for in a heartbeat.
15 avr. 2021 à 20 h 56
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I mean I'm with you in terms of the typical stuff here. Rangers probably won't have to pay any of Laff, Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre, Fox, Igor, Lundkvist, Kravtsov.

But If I told you all you'd have to pay to swap Mika with Eichel is a mid 1st in a crummy draft and a RHD in Schneider, who would be a 3rd pair guy at best in NY because he's blocked by Fox/Lundkvist. You wouldn't do that? You'd be insane not to do that.

The whole idea of the rebuild was to get competitive again and hopefully win a cup someday in the near future. Mika is only 27. There is no reason to trade him. They can win a cup with Mika as 1C and even Strome at 2C (in my opinion) because they will have tremendous talent on the wings, and Chytil will be a good 3C. Combine that with Shesterkin in net and a young and talented core on D, and you have a real contender IF...and I say IF....you have the patience to wait and let the kids develop. You don't have to wait 5 years. Another year should do it, and then this will be a team to be reckoned with. Add in Nils Lundqusit and Zac Jones as well. Eichel would be great to have but they don't have to have him. If they can get a good deal on him, OK, but giving up some of the kids or Mika is a NON STARTER for me. Let Jack enjoy his time in Buffalo.

You want to watch Mika slow down at 33 while paying him 10 mil and realize he still has 3 more years left on his deal? You remember how things felt earlier this season? Here's your opportunity to get younger. Take it.
15 avr. 2021 à 21 h 14
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I’d rather not do that for Eichel. Barkov yes. McDavid yes. Drasaitl yes. Matthews yes. Point yes. And obviously MacKinnon yes. I’m not sold on Eichel being the key. Those others I’d do it for in a heartbeat.


Sure I mean those are all great players. The thing is team control. Eichel has 5 more years of team control yet. Barkov hits UFA after next year. McDavid has 5 but isn't going anywhere. Drai has 4 years. Matthews has 3. Mac has 2. Point needs another contract after next year that will undoubtedly pay him more than what Eichel makes now.

I'm not saying Eichel is better than any of those guys. Though he's in the same tier as a few of them. But the longer you can hold your 1C and not have to resign or worry about losing them the better. Combine that with the relatively cheap cost to acquire, and it just makes sense.

Finding 1C's is really hard. Finding 1C's that are young and cost controlled is near impossible. You take those opportunities whenever you can. This is essentially a matter of swapping an aging 1C for a younger one.
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15 avr. 2021 à 21 h 15
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You could've just said "I don't know how aging curves or cap management works" and it would've meant the same thing as what you typed lol.
15 avr. 2021 à 21 h 18
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You could've just said "I don't know how aging curves or cap management works" and it would've meant the same thing as what you typed lol.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
15 avr. 2021 à 21 h 44
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Sure I mean those are all great players. The thing is team control. Eichel has 5 more years of team control yet. Barkov hits UFA after next year. McDavid has 5 but isn't going anywhere. Drai has 4 years. Matthews has 3. Mac has 2. Point needs another contract after next year that will undoubtedly pay him more than what Eichel makes now.

I'm not saying Eichel is better than any of those guys. Though he's in the same tier as a few of them. But the longer you can hold your 1C and not have to resign or worry about losing them the better. Combine that with the relatively cheap cost to acquire, and it just makes sense.

Finding 1C's is really hard. Finding 1C's that are young and cost controlled is near impossible. You take those opportunities whenever you can. This is essentially a matter of swapping an aging 1C for a younger one.


I get that, but it still doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want Eichel. I’d take Barzal or Aho over him as well. At least you know those guys can perform in the playoffs. Eichel is a straight gamble that I wouldn’t take.
15 avr. 2021 à 22 h 0
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I get that, but it still doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want Eichel. I’d take Barzal or Aho over him as well. At least you know those guys can perform in the playoffs. Eichel is a straight gamble that I wouldn’t take.


I mean Eichel's a better player than both of them. It's pretty easy to see in a lot of ways, but if you have trouble of separating player from teammate impact, this could help (notice the player vs. teammates). It's glaring. The good part about all this is that you still keep Panarin and the young core, so it's not a 1 man show.

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15 avr. 2021 à 22 h 5
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Quoting: Devil1122
Are Zibanejad and Strome/Chytil going to be the future centers for the Rangers?


Zibanejad is 99% likely here to stay for the 2020s and Strome is 99% likely here to stay until his contract expires.
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15 avr. 2021 à 22 h 8
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I mean Eichel's a better player than both of them. It's pretty easy to see in a lot of ways, but if you have trouble of separating player from teammate impact, this could help (notice the player vs. teammates). It's glaring. The good part about all this is that you still keep Panarin and the young core, so it's not a 1 man show.

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Yes that may be true, but those two guys have playoff experience and can perform in the playoffs which’s trumps however good you may be in the regular season. I’d take playoff success over regular season success.
15 avr. 2021 à 22 h 25
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Yes that may be true, but those two guys have playoff experience and can perform in the playoffs which’s trumps however good you may be in the regular season. I’d take playoff success over regular season success.


Yeah unfortunately hockey is a team sport. And you can't blame 1 guy for not making the playoffs when you surround him with a bottom 5 supporting cast every year. I mean the last time he was a part of a competitive roster, he took BU to the NCAA finals. Are you confusing hockey with basketball maybe?
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Zibanejad is 99% likely here to stay for the 2020s and Strome is 99% likely here to stay until his contract expires.


Chytil at 2C after Strome leaves?
15 avr. 2021 à 22 h 28
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Yeah unfortunately hockey is a team sport. And you can't blame 1 guy for not making the playoffs when you surround him with a bottom 5 supporting cast every year. I mean the last time he was a part of a competitive roster, he took BU to the NCAA finals. Are you confusing hockey with basketball maybe?


No, I get that he hasn’t had a competent team or organization around him, but I’d rather not take that risk on him when there’s no guarantee of any success. Plus without him we can keep a better supporting cast and as you say team that would be better than giving up the assets required to get him. You’re not gonna change my mind on this, he’s not worth it for us.
 
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