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Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 13 avr. 2021
Publié: 14 avr. 2021
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Big decisions coming up:
extend or trade Zibs?
extend or trade Strome? Guy is a player who's answered his naysayers well
Answer to both depends on what they'd be willing to take to stay in NY, and in Strome's case the money would have to be commensurate with eventual 3rd C.
Of course an Eichel deal would blow up a lot of this...but who knows where that's gonna go- esp since he's getting surgery to his neck.

Beyond that the deals here involve exchanging promising D prospects for good C prospects.
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    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 9
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    rangers are not doing that schneider trade
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 19
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    Quoting: Vermathex
    rangers are not doing that schneider trade


    Don't like Madden or don't think the value equal?
    In the end NYR have many real good D prospects who'll probably never get a chance with the Rangers...would rather move some of those guys now before they can just walk away and sign with another org...and NYR are very light on legit C prospects
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 21
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    I mean sure. Maddens hurt and no time table for return. So yeah I’ll take the healthy guy
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 23
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    Quoting: Jimbo1119
    Don't like Madden or don't think the value equal?
    In the end NYR have many real good D prospects who'll probably never get a chance with the Rangers...would rather move some of those guys now before they can just walk away and sign with another org...and NYR are very light on legit C prospects


    madden is an ok prospect and i agree that rangers need one more center prospect and are heavy on D. However schneider already signed with us and nils is going to some point soon. I do not think the value is equal with the two. I think a better target would be like a turcotte, or part of a bigger package to upgrade prospects or maby move up in the draft.
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    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 31
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    Quoting: Jimbo1119
    Don't like Madden or don't think the value equal?
    In the end NYR have many real good D prospects who'll probably never get a chance with the Rangers...would rather move some of those guys now before they can just walk away and sign with another org...and NYR are very light on legit C prospects


    You can keep dreaming. Wild aren't trading a top c prospect they traded Luke kunin for to get these trash back

    To think wild would trade a top c prospect like marat fir a nobody d prospect or d prospect, & winger prospect they don't need, or want is comical
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 38
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    Quoting: Vermathex
    madden is an ok prospect and i agree that rangers need one more center prospect and are heavy on D. However schneider already signed with us and nils is going to some point soon. I do not think the value is equal with the two. I think a better target would be like a turcotte, or part of a bigger package to upgrade prospects or maby move up in the draft.


    Kings do have other good C prospects...depending on who NYR would be offering I could see A. Thomas, Kupari, or Madden available...think LA would hold onto Turcotte (and Byfield) tighter than COL holding onto Newhook or ANA holding onto Zegras...why I don't even bother mentioning these guys. I mean, hey- Schneider is a great prospect...if he is an over pay for the guys who would be available, then for sure don't make that deal...NYR do have lower ranked prospects they could move and are still also stacked with picks...I think at some point though LA is gonna want players closer to NHL than continue to pile up guys 3 years away.
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 42
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    That Marat trade doesn't even get a second look from me. Easy decline
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    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 42
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    Kings do have other good C prospects...depending on who NYR would be offering I could see A. Thomas, Kupari, or Madden available...think LA would hold onto Turcotte (and Byfield) tighter than COL holding onto Newhook or ANA holding onto Zegras...why I don't even bother mentioning these guys. I mean, hey- Schneider is a great prospect...if he is an over pay for the guys who would be available, then for sure don't make that deal...NYR do have lower ranked prospects they could move and are still also stacked with picks...I think at some point though LA is gonna want players closer to NHL than continue to pile up guys 3 years away.


    i mean we have tarmo who's almost a point a game player in the NHL and a bunch of quality prospects. The problem really is troubas NMC but i think that goes away in 3/4 years. I think the best option is to attempt to get Either Kent Johnson/Beniers/Eklund/Raty in this years draft to solidify out prospect pool.
    14 avr. 2021 à 21 h 48
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    You can keep dreaming. Wild aren't trading a top c prospect they traded Luke kunin for to get these trash back

    To think wild would trade a top c prospect like marat fir a nobody d prospect or d prospect, & winger prospect they don't need, or want is comical


    OK...little harsh there....Marat is a real good prospect- which is why I'd want him...but Tarmo and Lauri are certainly not trash...Reunanen is close to NHL ready and Pajuniemi has taken great strides...will they become good NHLers or even make the NHL? Don't know yet....but the same can be said for Khus- at draft was considered a project 3-4 years out. If you have info on him which makes him untouchable (like Zegras, Newhook, etc) then lets hear it...otherwise what would you want as a counter?
    14 avr. 2021 à 22 h 1
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    i mean we have tarmo who's almost a point a game player in the NHL and a bunch of quality prospects. The problem really is troubas NMC but i think that goes away in 3/4 years. I think the best option is to attempt to get Either Kent Johnson/Beniers/Eklund/Raty in this years draft to solidify out prospect pool.


    Unfortunately Trouba here for at least 3 more seasons until his NMC loosens...in the mean time, Fox has 1RD locked down and Nils has to prove himself- but is coming with all the hype that he's all that and will eventually be a top 4 D. As far as moving up in the draft...I'm not familiar enough with the prospects to recommend trying to move up...but if that is an option and there is talent there to be had...then of course worth considering. Main point Im trying to make though is that NYR D for the foreseeable future is getting filled quickly...with several real good prospects still in the system...don't want to see them die on the vine...gotta keep regenerating the prospect pool.
    14 avr. 2021 à 22 h 6
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    Unfortunately Trouba here for at least 3 more seasons until his NMC loosens...in the mean time, Fox has 1RD locked down and Nils has to prove himself- but is coming with all the hype that he's all that and will eventually be a top 4 D. As far as moving up in the draft...I'm not familiar enough with the prospects to recommend trying to move up...but if that is an option and there is talent there to be had...then of course worth considering. Main point Im trying to make though is that NYR D for the foreseeable future is getting filled quickly...with several real good prospects still in the system...don't want to see them die on the vine...gotta keep regenerating the prospect pool.


    i agree we just have to make sure we get what they're worth
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    That Marat trade doesn't even get a second look from me. Easy decline


    So what would perk your interest?
    14 avr. 2021 à 23 h 5
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    That’s a lot of tiny centers.
    Especially for East
    14 avr. 2021 à 23 h 26
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    That’s a lot of tiny centers.
    Especially for East


    It's ok ✔

    Physicality is 10% of the game at most these days

    The only bad part of the 90s is what it did to hockey
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    Tarmo and Lauri may each be > Khusu

    Unlikely but definitely a possibility

    At least another good asset beside Marat there
    14 avr. 2021 à 23 h 36
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    It's ok ✔

    Physicality is 10% of the game at most these days

    The only bad part of the 90s is what it did to hockey


    Madden 5’11” 152 lbs
    Marat 5’11” 176 lbs (and probably a generous listing)
    Lizotte 5’7” 172 lbs

    I am all for small/skilled.
    Devils have one of the smallest forward groups in NHL.
    Certainly the youngest.
    But that’s a lot of little.
    14 avr. 2021 à 23 h 48
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    As a Canucks fan that Schneider trade would make me so sad. I would love to have him.
    14 avr. 2021 à 23 h 49
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    That’s a lot of tiny centers.
    Especially for East


    Guys in these trades- Marat, Lizotte, and Madden are not known for their size...but Madden known as a slick player, while Lizzotte and Marat are knwn as tireless grinders,,,might be short- but strong on their skats. And in additionto not bring shy to hustle, Marat has a weapon...in his speed which when he unleashes hescan blast past almost any oppoment.
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    Quoting: Jimbo1119
    Guys in these trades- Marat, Lizotte, and Madden are not known for their size...but Madden known as a slick player, while Lizzotte and Marat are knwn as tireless grinders,,,might be short- but strong on their skats. And in additionto not bring shy to hustle, Marat has a weapon...in his speed which when he unleashes hescan blast past almost any oppoment.


    Wild aren't trading him. Point blank. Wild traded kunin for / to select him. He's not going anywhere
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Tarmo and Lauri may each be > Khusu

    Unlikely but definitely a possibility

    At least another good asset beside Marat there


    Wild don't need either prospect. Come on , now this aren't even high draft picks, or top prospects
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    OK...little harsh there....Marat is a real good prospect- which is why I'd want him...but Tarmo and Lauri are certainly not trash...Reunanen is close to NHL ready and Pajuniemi has taken great strides...will they become good NHLers or even make the NHL? Don't know yet....but the same can be said for Khus- at draft was considered a project 3-4 years out. If you have info on him which makes him untouchable (like Zegras, Newhook, etc) then lets hear it...otherwise what would you want as a counter?


    Wild aren't trading him. Luke kunin was traded so wild can select him. He's untouchable as any other wild c prospect unless an equally c, or better c was coming back

    You choose 2 lesser prospects, not even high draft picks, & positions at which wild don't need prospects

    Wild don't need anymore wingers prospect when they have matt boldy, & Adam Beckham

    Wild don't need a little known d, much less a d prospect who won't ever play on wild
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    So what would perk your interest?


    A massive overpayment tbh. I have no interest in moving Khusnutdinov. I was thrilled when he fell to Minnesota
    15 avr. 2021 à 1 h 15
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    Khusnutdinov is the best prospect out of those three involved in the trade. So I think we're better off not trading him.
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    Quoting: ModanoisCool
    Wild aren't trading him. Luke kunin was traded so wild can select him. He's untouchable as any other wild c prospect unless an equally c, or better c was coming back

    You choose 2 lesser prospects, not even high draft picks, & positions at which wild don't need prospects

    Wild don't need anymore wingers prospect when they have matt boldy, & Adam Beckham

    Wild don't need a little known d, much less a d prospect who won't ever play on wild


    Hey, seeing that you value your prospect- I can only respect that...and you would certainly be more familiar with Marat's development than me. FWIW I'm basing my valuations on info available in Dobberprospects- which seemingly has Khus behind 3 or 4 other C's in the Wild pipeline. (keep in mind the word on him at the draft was that he was a dynamite talent- but very raw- probably several years out from NHL). Also based on Dobber info, Wild LD and RW prospect pools seem pretty thin- pretty sure the players mentioned would slot toward the top of Wild pecking order of LD and RW prospects...so I can't see why you'd assume these guys never get a chance to play with the Wild. Regarding draft pedigree...that the Wild moved Kunin- definitely implies their regards for Marat to make this deal...so that certainly is a hurdle.
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    Quoting: Jimbo1119
    Hey, seeing that you value your prospect- I can only respect that...and you would certainly be more familiar with Marat's development than me. FWIW I'm basing my valuations on info available in Dobberprospects- which seemingly has Khus behind 3 or 4 other C's in the Wild pipeline. (keep in mind the word on him at the draft was that he was a dynamite talent- but very raw- probably several years out from NHL). Also based on Dobber info, Wild LD and RW prospect pools seem pretty thin- pretty sure the players mentioned would slot toward the top of Wild pecking order of LD and RW prospects...so I can't see why you'd assume these guys never get a chance to play with the Wild. Regarding draft pedigree...that the Wild moved Kunin- definitely implies their regards for Marat to make this deal...so that certainly is a hurdle.


    Because wild d is stacked for a longtime. Wild moved Jason Zucker because because through drafting, they became full @ wingers.

    So that is why wild wouldn't trade marat Khusnutdinov whose a really good c prospect which wild don't have enough from so he's untouchable
     
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