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Cost of Zadorov

Créé par: NazemKadri43
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 12 avr. 2021
Publié: 12 avr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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What is the cost of Zadorov? Would Joey Anderson and Dermott work?
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $79 450 616 $0 $0 $2 049 384 $
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1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
AG, C, AD
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UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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UFA - 5
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
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UFA - 4
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
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UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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UFA - 4
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
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UFA - 2
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
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UFA - 4
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 3
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1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
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UFA - 1
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3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ (175 000 $$175K175 000 $$175K)
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UFA - 2
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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UFA - 2
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700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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UFA - 1

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12 avr. 2021 à 9 h 44
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The cost you’ll pay for Zadorov will be an increase in xGA and PIM
12 avr. 2021 à 9 h 45
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If you want Zadorov, Chicago will return half and take a 3rd and meh player for him. Or less
12 avr. 2021 à 9 h 52
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“Chicago is not actively shopping Zadarov, but would listen to the right offer.” My best guess is that this isn’t it and I don’t think it’s close.
12 avr. 2021 à 9 h 59
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Mike Reilly is having a career season and just got dealt for a 3rd round pick. What makes you think Zadorov is so much better than Reilly that he's worth 2 roster players?

Dermott > Zadorov

You'll at best get a late 2nd for Zadorov. You wouldn't be getting roster players like Dermott unless Chicago adds more.
12 avr. 2021 à 10 h 15
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Why do you want to trade a good 3LD for an inferior one? The point is to add depth not make it worse.
12 avr. 2021 à 10 h 25
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He's really not available, but theres no reason for us to not get a 1st. Savard got a 1st and he's a UFA after this year. Zad is only 25 and an RFA for 2 more seasons
12 avr. 2021 à 10 h 26
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He's really not available, but theres no reason for us to not get a 1st. Savard got a 1st and he's a UFA after this year. Zad is only 25 and an RFA for 2 more seasons


Lmao Zadorov isn't Savard
12 avr. 2021 à 10 h 28
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Lmao Zadorov isn't Savard


He's not, but there's valu ein the fact that he's 25 and an RFA for 2 more years and not 30 and a UFA
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12 avr. 2021 à 10 h 28
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Mike Reilly is having a career season and just got dealt for a 3rd round pick. What makes you think Zadorov is so much better than Reilly that he's worth 2 roster players?

Dermott > Zadorov

You'll at best get a late 2nd for Zadorov. You wouldn't be getting roster players like Dermott unless Chicago adds more.


...and you think Dermott is more valuable? I don't think so
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12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 5
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Just give us draft picks. These players arent very interesting.
12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 9
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Modifié 12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 18
Quoting: ChiHawk
Dermott, a year younger, has played all of 194 games over 4 years on a porous Leafs defense over those years having trouble cracking the lineup; again, look at the Leafs defensive the last few years....not good. A year older Zadarov has played 398 games which alone speaks volumes. Further, Zadarov, although a more defensive and physical player, puts up the same ppg pace (if not better) then Dermott on a more offensive minded Leafs system which tells you, Dermott DOES NOT create more offensive so you are wrong about that. Dermott may have less penalty minutes but he's also not nearly as physical.

To suggest Dermott is clearly a better player, tells me you don't know much about hockey and are the real homer not Chicago fans kid.


Zadorov has also played on a highly offensive Colorado team where he played top 4 minutes because Colorado didn't have many offensive defenceman to create offence, ever think that's were his offence came from? I mean considering he went from 0.21 points per game in Colorado to 0.16 points per game in Chicago, I'd say his offence was helped by more minutes on a better offence team. Dermott doesn't create more offence eh? How bout the fact that Dermott's xGF and xGA difference is 6.4 this season while Zadorov's is 2.1? That clearly shows that Dermott creates more while still playing reliable defence. Not to mention that Zadorov averages 18:51 minutes of ice time, while Dermott averages only 12:46 minutes of ice time because Toronto's defence is far deeper. While Dermott's CF% this season is 49.5% and a career 52.7% while Zadorov is only 46.6% this season and a career 39.4%. Don't like CorsiFor or xGF/GA difference? Let's look at FF% (FenwickFor percentage): Dermott this season is 48.3% with a career 51.9% while Zadorov is 47.1% this season and a career 39.9%... both CorsiFor and FenwickFor are analytical numbers that determine how many more shots for or shot attempts a player's team has while that player is on the ice, which is creating offence. But you result to mere points as "creating offence" which is no where near the appropriate way to analyze players and what the create.

I'm not sure how much you follow or know analytics, but for you to sit there and result to insulting someone calling them a "real homer" and a "kid" just because you can't validate your opinion, seems kinda immature. Again, if you don't follow analytics that's cool, but don't just assume your opinion is correct just because it's your favourite team and that player is on that team. When the stats clearly show that Dermott creates more offence, is still reliable defensively, far far superior skater (an eye test that is subjective, absolutely. But I don't think anyone disagrees with that) , is younger, on a way better contract, and far more discipline. I'm not saying they're both worth a ton or Dermott is worth far more, but Dermott is absolutely worth more right now in a pandemic world where teams don't have money and would want the better, younger player.
12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 31
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Zadorov has also played on a highly offensive Colorado team where he played top 4 minutes because Colorado didn't have any offensive defenceman to create offence, ever think that's were his offence came from? I mean considering he went from 0.21 points per game in Colorado to 0.16 points per game in Chicago, I'd say his offence was helped by more minutes on a better offence team. Dermott doesn't create more offence eh? How bout the fact that Dermott's xGF and xGA difference is 6.4 this season while Zadorov's is 2.1? That clearly shows that Dermott creates more while still playing reliable defence. Not to mention that Zadorov averages 18:51 minutes of ice time, while Dermott averages only 12:46 minutes of ice time because Toronto's defence is far deeper. While Dermott's CF% this season is 45.5% and a career 52.7% while Zadorov is only 46.6% this season and a career 39.4%. Don't like CorsiFor or xGF/GA difference? Let's look at FF% (FenwickFor percentage): Dermott this season is 48.3% with a career 51.9% while Zadorov is 47.1% this season and a career 39.9%... both CorsiFor and FenwickFor are analytical numbers that determine how many more shots for or shot attempts a player's team has while that player is on the ice, which is creating offence. But you result to mere points as "creating offence" which is no where near the appropriate way to analyze players and what the create.

I'm not sure how much you follow or know analytics, but for you to sit there and result to insulting someone calling them a "real homer" and a "kid" just because you can't validate your opinion, seems kinda immature. Again, if you don't follow analytics that's cool, but don't just assume your opinion is correct just because it's your favourite team and that player is on that team. When the stats clearly show that Dermott creates more offence, is still reliable defensively, far far superior skater (an eye test that is subjective, absolutely. But I don't think anyone disagrees with that) , is younger, on a way better contract, and far more discipline. I'm not saying they're both worth a ton or Dermott is worth far more, but Dermott is absolutely worth more right now in a pandemic world where teams don't have money and would want the better, younger player.


You just countered your own original argument by using Colorado instead of performance this year on the Hawks.

Advanced analytics are flawed as most professionals agree and while they can help evaluate a player, the fact that you have to use advanced analytics to base your argument entirely on shows the flaws in it. The simple fact remains that Zadarov this year is putting up a better ppg pace being on a much worse and much less offensive minded team (The Blackhawks) versus Dermott (Leafs), and yet, you claim Dermott is better offensively for a player that can't put up better points on a much better and offensively minded Leafs team? You also think Dermott is a better defensive player and I don't agree with that either. I think Dermott is better at moving the puck and clearing the zone then Zadarov, but I don't see him being better at anything else as black and white either offensively or defensively and would argue defensively it's definitely not as debatable. For anyone to claim Dermott is hands down a better player then Zadarov or vice versa is simply a fool's errand. That said, because these two are so close in most aspects, Zadarov, due to his size and physicality, is why I'd rather have him over Dermott as there are plenty of Dermott type of players/prospects in the league...these are 3rd pairing guys in both cases with ceiling of 2nd pairing guys.


For the record, let's review how you started your response to me...

"Anyone that knows hockey knows Dermott is. Dermott creates far more offence, still reliable defensively, far far superior skater, is younger, on a way better contract, and far more discipline. But Chicago fans still think Zadorov is worth more? Lol."

That is how you engaged in your first response. It's childish to call anyone, especially a senior member of this website, ignorant about hockey. It's also completely SUBJECTIVE what you wrote. And YOU were the first to suggest someone being a homer in your initial response as you can see. I responded to you accordingly based on how you chose to initially engage so I suggest you look in the mirror first before trying to come back several comments later and get upset how I responded to your way of engaging me and then report me? C'mon guy
12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 35
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You just countered your own original argument by using Colorado instead of performance this year on the Hawks.

Advanced analytics are flawed as most professionals agree and while they can help evaluate a player, the fact that you have to use advanced analytics to base your argument entirely on shows the flaws in it. The simple fact remains that Zadarov this year is putting up a better ppg pace being on a much worse and much less offensive minded team (The Blackhawks) versus Dermott (Leafs), and yet, you claim Dermott is better offensively for a player that can't put up better points on a much better and offensively minded Leafs team? You also think Dermott is a better defensive player and I don't agree with that either. I think Dermott is better at moving the puck and clearing the zone then Zadarov, but I don't see him being better at anything else as black and white either offensively or defensively and would argue defensively it's definitely not as debatable. For anyone to claim Dermott is hands down a better player then Zadarov or vice versa is simply a fool's errand. That said, because these two are so close in most aspects, Zadarov, due to his size and physicality, is why I'd rather have him over Dermott as there are plenty of Dermott type of players/prospects in the league...these are 3rd pairing guys in both cases with ceiling of 2nd pairing guys.


For the record, let's review how you started your response to me...

"Anyone that knows hockey knows Dermott is. Dermott creates far more offence, still reliable defensively, far far superior skater, is younger, on a way better contract, and far more discipline. But Chicago fans still think Zadorov is worth more? Lol."

That is how you engaged in your first response. It's childish to call anyone, especially a senior member of this website, ignorant about hockey. It's also completely SUBJECTIVE what you wrote. And YOU were the first to suggest someone being a homer in your initial response as you can see. I responded to you accordingly based on how you chose to initially engage so I suggest you look in the mirror first before trying to come back several comments later and get upset how I responded to your way of engaging me and then report me? C'mon guy


Wow, I'm so sorry I "disrespected a senior member of this site"

Welcome to the blocked list.
12 avr. 2021 à 11 h 39
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Wow, I'm so sorry I "disrespected a senior member of this site"

Welcome to the blocked list.


Good choice and likewise based on how you chose to engage initially and then cry foul...comical
 
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