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SJ listening on Labanc offers - open discussion

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Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 8 avr. 2021
Publié: 8 avr. 2021
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per Sheng Peng article

Labanc would be moved for the right price - which I would assume would be higher than what Palmieri returned. Ill assume Doug is looking for a prospect of value and a pick - while willing to help a team offload a contract.
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    Just going to look at a bunch of options - starting with Florida who just made themselves have around 18million in deadline cap space.
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    1. Heponiemi, Aleksi
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
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      1. Bellows, Kieffer
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      1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
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      1. Brown, Logan
      2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
      3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
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      This trade is an idea but very mixed for both teams. Brown hasn't really gotten a shot at the NHL but his value has dropped during all this time as he is now 23 and nothing really has happened. Both Ottawa wants a good return for Brown but also SJ could see Brown as little value due to his handling.
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 18
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          Looking to hear other opinions - trades are just ideas.

          Before commenting realize - Wilson stated for the RIGHT PRICE.

          Meaning the price would have to make the Sharks accept trading Labanc. Regardless of arguing or comparisons: the price would have to be fitting for a young top 6 winger. So for example: a low tier prospect and a 2nd wouldn’t get a deal done. So looking to discuss what deals/ teams would be in on Labanc and if the evaluations are acceptable for the Sharks then if the other teams would be willing to part with those pieces/ similar value pieces.

          I’d think Carolina or Ottawa would actually be the best fits IMO. But both teams don’t necessarily need Labanc.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 19
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          Sharks be like: haha left handed forwards go brrrrr
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 20
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          Not sure the Isles give up a 1st 3 years in a row. But that’s very fair value in my opinion.
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 20
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          Morgan Frost and a pick. Philly needs to go younger from Voracek and JVR. And SJ is kind of rebuilding
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 20
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          Including a first is legitimate insanity.
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 21
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          Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
          Sharks be like: haha left handed forwards go brrrrr


          Lmao yeah it’s a little tough, especially on draws.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 21
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          Modifié 8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 35
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          Morgan Frost and a pick. Philly needs to go younger from Voracek and JVR. And SJ is kind of rebuilding


          Is Philly willing to pay for wingers tho? I thought they needed better D? I could be wrong but I thought that was the latest.

          Frost as a starter is definitely worth hearing
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 22
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Including a first is legitimate insanity.


          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Including a first is legitimate insanity.


          With exactly which team?

          Because Heponiemi is no where near the same value that his name used to hold. I mean maybe subjectively you can believe that but he has not had the same trajectory that he was believed to have.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 23
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          I've heard that the only way he is traded is an overpayment, so I would be looking at a return similar to the Kapanen trade at least.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 24
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          I've heard that the only way he is traded is an overpayment, so I would be looking at a return similar to the Kapanen trade at least.


          I believe all the offers above are fair - each one would definitely catch my attention as a GM but I agree with what you’re saying exactly. But suggesting overpays makes all comments pretty pointless and annoying. So I went with most fair offers to not be getting 20 comments from people missing the point.
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 24
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          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 27
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          Quoting: NHLfan10506
          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)


          I tried New Jersey but yeah I agree with you. They don’t really need to part with any quality picks and then the prospects they have remaining don’t really entice me. I’d love to see Kuokannen and others but they all are likely to never be involved because New Jersey is insanely young and they easily can wait and see where their development goes. I just don’t think overpaying for Labanc is good for NJD so I didn’t include them. They’re already on a good path.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 36
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          Quoting: NHLfan10506
          Devils could be interested as replacement for Palmieri
          But doubt picks would be in play
          Would probably have to be a few Boqvists and Merkleys
          (that's all I got)


          Quite a few Boqvists, since Merkley holds 0 value.
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          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 37
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          Is Philly willing to pay for wingers tho? I thought they needed better D? I could be wrong but I thought that was the latest.

          Frost as a starter is definitely worth hearing


          Just because they need a D , doesn’t mean they also shouldn’t look to improve and get younger on the offensive side
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          Quoting: Klara
          Quite a few Boqvists, since Merkley holds 0 value.


          Jesper Boqvists definitely has value but he hasn’t been given a role to thrive in yet. I’d think he doesn’t have as much value as he used to maybe getting better additional assets in a deal would happen but I do like him a lot personally. He’s got some real upside.
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          Just because they need a D , doesn’t mean they also shouldn’t look to improve and get younger on the offensive side


          Very True - and they do have York coming soon. They’ll definitely be praying for Seattle to help.
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          With exactly which team?

          Because Heponiemi is no where near the same value that his name used to hold. I mean maybe subjectively you can believe that but he has not had the same trajectory that he was believed to have.


          Any team. Labanc isn’t getting anything close to a first.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 42
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Any team. Labanc isn’t getting anything close to a first.


          Yeah true! I guess the worse player Debrusk is worth four firsts when compared to my LUDICROUS ask for Labanc.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 46
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          Yeah true! I guess the worse player Debrusk is worth four firsts when compared to my LUDICROUS ask for Labanc.


          What does debrusk have to do with this? Labanc is a mediocre player who had one kinda okay season. That’s not getting a first.
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          What does debrusk have to do with this? Labanc is a mediocre player who had one kinda okay season. That’s not getting a first.


          Okay so what’s Debrusk worth than - because it’ll have a lot to do with your take on Labancs value.

          Because Labanc isn’t a mediocre player and I’ll assume you haven’t watched 90% of Sharks games. I’d be glad to be told I’m wrong but I’ll assume you haven’t as I a Sharks fan barely found it was worth it earlier this year.
          8 avr. 2021 à 18 h 51
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          Very True - and they do have York coming soon. They’ll definitely be praying for Seattle to help.


          Imo:
          Provorov-Myers
          Sanheim-XXX
          York-Braun

          They need a guy like Connor Murphy next to Sanheim
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          Okay so what’s Debrusk worth than - because it’ll have a lot to do with your take on Labancs value.

          Because Labanc isn’t a mediocre player and I’ll assume you haven’t watched 90% of Sharks games. I’d be glad to be told I’m wrong but I’ll assume you haven’t as I a Sharks fan barely found it was worth it earlier this year.


          Why does debrusk have anything to do with this?
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          Quoting: Bcarlo25
          Why does debrusk have anything to do with this?


          Answer the question- because I wanna know if it’s even worth the time to try and have a discussion. Because I’m completely willing to have a convo about the value even if we disagree.
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          You say that you assume San Jose is looking for a prospect of value and a pick, only problem with that is that LeBanc is overpaid. He's a 40-50 point guy making almost $5M in a flat cap and pandemic world. No team is gonna wanna give up a top prospect or a 1st rounder for him. Because of that, the Florida and Carolina deals make no sense whatsoever.
          8 avr. 2021 à 19 h 4
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          Quoting: TrueCanuck
          You say that you assume San Jose is looking for a prospect of value and a pick, only problem with that is that LeBanc is overpaid. He's a 40-50 point guy making almost $5M in a flat cap and pandemic world. No team is gonna wanna give up a top prospect or a 1st rounder for him. Because of that, the Florida and Carolina deals make no sense whatsoever.


          I never said top prospect. As all the suggested trades above are not top prospects and more like projects. Hepo is nowhere near a top prospect for FLA, similarly for Brown. Bellows is mixed. Suzuki is the only guy who’s too high value. Which as I just said, he’s too high value so I agree it’s a bit much for Carolina.

          Additionally I’m basing it off of Wilson’s ask as the Sharks don’t need to move Labanc. It’s just for sake of conversation; not arguing hypotheticals of if and buts. Wilson’s listening on offers; and discussing ones that would make the Sharks move Labanc is what I’ve suggested. If you don’t think he’s worth it sure but I disagree and think he is worth it as he’s better than Kapanen and a good top6 winger and here I’ve asked less than the pens overpay
           
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