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Vrana to the Leafs

Créé par: Capitalfail67
Équipe: 2020-21 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 5 avr. 2021
Publié: 5 avr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Mcmichael needs another year in the AHL so 22-23 for him maybe midway next year. Sprong took a step forward imo nowhere near Vrana but he's at cap min and with the uncertainty of the $$ of Ovechkin next deal idk if we could afford Vrana anyway. Hopefully Seattle pick Dillon and then they can move forward with Siegenthaler and Fehérváry on the back end and sign a solid middle 6 guy like Iafallo during FA.

Adding Amirov gives us depth at a position we need to add Depth in


i dont want to trade Vrana.. i think hes a very good player but the Capitals mismanage talent like Bura and Stephenson so i would like to get a solid return for him since it looks like Lav has some sort of issue with him
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Vrana is a speedy winger that is 33rd in p/60 last 2 seasons. He could really become elite in Toronto if given some playing time.
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overpayment but got to start somewhere
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5 avr. 2021 à 13 h 7
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Why would any team overpay for a guy who the coach has some sort of issue with? On top of that, why would TO of all teams do so? It's not like they are hurting for impact forwards. I think Robertson is more the type of forward the team is looking for.
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I don't think WSH should move Vrana tbh. When Oshie starts to decline, he'll take on a more heavy role. Just my opinion tho
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I don't think he'll get more playing time in Toronto, but maybe he'd get more with Boston, they are hurting past the first line.
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5 avr. 2021 à 13 h 17
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Why would any team overpay for a guy who the coach has some sort of issue with? On top of that, why would TO of all teams do so? It's not like they are hurting for impact forwards. I think Robertson is more the type of forward the team is looking for.


idk how to say this nicely. Vrana is a good player... i would say hes Nylander level. Adding him to that roster makes them a lot better. "hurting for impact players" you have Marner Matthews and Nylander... Vrana isnt having an issue like torts and Laine its more of a petty pissingcontest Lav is having with him. His defensive numbers are solidbut hes not getting ice time... last year Kovi played more than him... not really his fault when you produce and still get little ice time. Roberson is good and they would still have him...? Vrana is a NHL ready top 6 forward that immediately makes an impact. Robertson has a chance to be better but if hes that good where is at?GALCHENYUK is your 2nd line LW lol just saying.... leafs can afford to overpay bc they are a win now team and alate 1st and a prospect dont benefit them now....
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I don't think he'll get more playing time in Toronto, but maybe he'd get more with Boston, they are hurting past the first line.


how?

Vrana Matthews MArner
Hyman JT Nylander?

Vrana would be the 3rd or 2nd best winger on that team?
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
I don't think WSH should move Vrana tbh. When Oshie starts to decline, he'll take on a more heavy role. Just my opinion tho


i agree... i heard he asked for a trade and Lav is pissed about it. i dont blame him. last year Kovi played more than him.
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i agree... i heard he asked for a trade and Lav is pissed about it. i dont blame him. last year Kovi played more than him.


Idk Why last year matters... Lavi wasn't coaching in WSH back then...
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Idk Why last year matters... Lavi wasn't coaching in WSH back then...


last year matters bc when you show improvement and the old coach doesnt reward you with minutes its frustrating but then you have a new coach come in and he starts to give your ice time to guys like Sheary and Panik when you are producing thats also frustrating. just my 2cents on the matter.Bura is a great example
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Sorry, 3rd liners don't get moved for 2 good prospects and a 1st. He's got to show he can hang higher in the lineup before he sees anything close to that value and especially since his line hasn't been excelling despite the point/60 he's putting up. He has some serious defensive questions surrounding him that would limit his play in a top 6 role against tougher competition. Over the past 2 seasons, he's close to 50/50 on most offense defense marks despite a 61% offensive zone start usage. Thats a large gamble to move up in the lineup and definitely doesn't get value like he's already proven he can play there.
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
how?

Vrana Matthews MArner
Hyman JT Nylander?

Vrana would be the 3rd or 2nd best winger on that team?


Actually, it could work well. The only thing is, if the leafs keep the 5 in the top 6, and vrana comes in, no space for guys like Robertson in the next year or 3. but no I think about it, I like it.
5 avr. 2021 à 13 h 39
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The issue is how do Leafs pay Vrana for next season?
How much money does he get?
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Sorry, 3rd liners don't get moved for 2 good prospects and a 1st. He's got to show he can hang higher in the lineup before he sees anything close to that value and especially since his line hasn't been excelling despite the point/60 he's putting up. He has some serious defensive questions surrounding him that would limit his play in a top 6 role against tougher competition. Over the past 2 seasons, he's close to 50/50 on most offense defense marks despite a 61% offensive zone start usage. Thats a large gamble to move up in the lineup and definitely doesn't get value like he's already proven he can play there.


3rd liners lol JFC what a hot take
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3rd liners lol JFC what a hot take


Is he playing 13 minutes a night on your 2nd line?
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Actually, it could work well. The only thing is, if the leafs keep the 5 in the top 6, and vrana comes in, no space for guys like Robertson in the next year or 3. but no I think about it, I like it.


Hyman might be lost to FA and Roberson could be 3rd LW
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Is he playing 13 minutes a night on your 2nd line?


yes! he doesnt get PP time and hes put up 23 points playing lackluster minutes. 52 points last year in 69 games playing less than Kovi. Bura was playing on the 4th line and look what happened. Stephenson was 4th line/ pressbox. you must not be familiar with Washington AT ALL

best example i can give you is when BABS played MArner on the 4th line.
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The issue is how do Leafs pay Vrana for next season?
How much money does he get?


Honestly i see him signing for 5million if hes able to gtfo of washington. dont sign Hyman/Anderson and the money is there... Hyman might be hard to lose but Vrana is the better player. Year after the new TV deal kicks in.
5 avr. 2021 à 13 h 48
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yes! he doesnt get PP time and hes put up 23 points playing lackluster minutes. 52 points last year in 69 games playing less than Kovi. Bura was playing on the 4th line and look what happened. Stephenson was 4th line/ pressbox. you must not be familiar with Washington AT ALL


So he's playing less than 13 minutes a night, doesn't get PP time but you are considering him on your 2nd line?
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So he's playing less than 13 minutes a night, doesn't get PP time but you are considering him on your 2nd line?


When Babs put MArner on the 4th line did you consider him a 4th liner? how about when Anderson played on the 4th line in CBJ. Laine gets sat all the time is he a 3rd line players? use common sense i know you are trying hard but Vrana is a great player who has speed and a great shot.... his p/60 put him in the company of guys like Aho and Connor. its been a big complaint from the capitals fan base that he isnt fully utilized
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When Babs put MArner on the 4th line did you consider him a 4th liner? how about when Anderson played on the 4th line in CBJ. Laine gets sat all the time is he a 3rd line players? use common sense i know you are trying hard but Vrana is a great player who has speed and a great shot.... his p/60 put him in the company of guys like Aho and Connor. its been a big complaint from the capitals fan base that he isnt fully utilized


Upon looking, Vrana has 82:27 of his 507:49 minutes this season on the PP. What else are you lieing about here trying to get a good value for him?

His points per 60 also put him in the company of guys like Spezza, its why its a stat you need to be careful about using and look to why. In Vrana's case, he doesn't play much at 5on5 but gets lots of PP time, close to 20% of his minutes this season, so his points/60 is inflated in much the same way.
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Upon looking, Vrana has 82:27 of his 507:49 minutes on ice this season on the PP. What else are you lieing about here trying to get a good value for him?

His points per 60 also put him in the company of guys like Spezza, its why its a stat you need to be careful about using and look to why. In Vrana's case, he doesn't play much at 5on5 but gets lots of PP time, close to 20% of his minutes this season, so his points/60 is inflated in much the same way.


woah okay lets get into this....

Vrana ice time is 14:31 not 13 minutes ... "What else are you lieing about here "
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5 avr. 2021 à 14 h 0
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woah okay lets get into this....

Vrana ice time is 14:31 not 13 minutes ... "What else are you lieing about here "


I'm talking about even strength because I don't really care about power play time. He plays less than 13 minutes a night at even strength, indicating 3rd line minutes not 2nd. Take out the PP time and he suddenly drops down to 2.82 points/60. Thats not 33rd in the league anymore.
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Why would any team overpay for a guy who the coach has some sort of issue with? On top of that, why would TO of all teams do so? It's not like they are hurting for impact forwards. I think Robertson is more the type of forward the team is looking for.


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Sorry, 3rd liners don't get moved for 2 good prospects and a 1st. He's got to show he can hang higher in the lineup before he sees anything close to that value and especially since his line hasn't been excelling despite the point/60 he's putting up. He has some serious defensive questions surrounding him that would limit his play in a top 6 role against tougher competition. Over the past 2 seasons, he's close to 50/50 on most offense defense marks despite a 61% offensive zone start usage. Thats a large gamble to move up in the lineup and definitely doesn't get value like he's already proven he can play there.


3rd liner lol


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Upon looking, Vrana has 82:27 of his 507:49 minutes this season on the PP. What else are you lieing about here trying to get a good value for him?

His points per 60 also put him in the company of guys like Spezza, its why its a stat you need to be careful about using and look to why. In Vrana's case, he doesn't play much at 5on5 but gets lots of PP time, close to 20% of his minutes this season, so his points/60 is inflated in much the same way.



Vrana has 23 points this year and has 3 ppp? yeah he heavily relies on that pp for all 3 points he has lmfao
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3rd liner lol




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5 avr. 2021 à 14 h 5
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Vrana has 23 points this year and has 3 ppp? yeah he heavily relies on that pp for all 3 points he has lmfao


Well without the PP he drops to 2.82 points/60. Lets look at the guys you are trying to compare him to. Aho without the PP only drops down to 3.24/60. One of those things isn't like the other.

The bottom line is Vrana isn't trusted defensively in Washington, as shown by his heavy offensive zone usage, and for good reason. Suggesting he'd be ok to move further up on the lineup comes with huge risk and will see he doesn't get anything close to this kind of value in return.
 
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