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Vancouver Canucks signed Thatcher Demko (5 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)

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#51
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
He had an .897 save percentage last year, and he has an .894 save percentage this year. That’s a negligible difference. And of course he has a higher GAA and fewer wins, because he’s on a worse team that gives up more shots. Holtby isn’t a good goalie right now, but he wasn’t last year either. Sure he played 48 games, but it wasn’t because of merit, it’s because Washington wanted to ease Samsonov in, and they could afford to lose a few games because of Holtby. And attachement to him by the organization might’ve played a part of it.

And your reasoning for why he’s “worse” (even though he’s not) is completely ridiculous. People questioning his mask being cultural appropriation is far from the worst thing that Canucks Twitter can do. He knew what he was getting into when he signed with the Canucks. Holtby wouldn’t have won a Stanley Cup if he let his play be affected by random people on the internet.


And Drouin is good.
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#52
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Quoting: BCAPP
Eh I think it's more likely he's just been declining steadily for 2-3 years than anything about a mask.

He was one of the best goalies in the league for about 3-4 years and then declining steadily since


I was being facetious about the mask! I guess I should've been more clear, lol. But, he's at an all time low and he's sitting on the bench for a bad team. My point is, that it's been rough for Holtby in VAN since day 1.
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Vancouver thinking Seattle taking Braden Holtby
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#54
Pain for Shane
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Quoting: Brian2016
And Drouin is good.


Wow, bravo! applaud You conceded your argument with great grace and maturity.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Wow, bravo! applaud You conceded your argument with great grace and maturity.


I understand the anger and frustration when your franchise trades a top pair D for a 3rd line LW. Habs fans have overvalued Drouin because they want to feel like the Sergachev trade was justified. It was a terrible trade and it'll haunt the Habs for years to come.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Wow, bravo! applaud You conceded your argument with great grace and maturity.


BTW, the mask story was on the top of NHL.com for weeks. It was an international story. And Holtby's numbers are worse. I don't know where yore getting the idea that his numbers aren't worse.
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Quoting: CD282
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Neither Gibson nor Murray have been elite since 2018.

From January 1, 2019 until today, 62 goalies (2 per team essentially) have played at least 28 games. Here are Gibson and Murray's stats in that timeframe and their rank among the 62 goalies.

GAA
Murray: 2.93 (43rd)
Gibson: 3.05 (51st)

Sv%
Murray: .905 (44th)
Gibson: .903 (47th)

These numbers are basically "league average backup" material. They aren't even starter-quality let alone elite. But bottom line is they've performed similarly over the past 2+ years so I'm confused by your apparent juxtaposition of these two men.


Gibson had a bad year last season, but other than that he's been probably the best goalie in the league for a good portion of the last 5 years. His GAA and Sv% look bad because he's been playing behind terrible Anaheim teams. If you look at his Goals Saved Above Expected/Average (a lot more telling stats), you'll be able to see the difference.
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Quoting: Radovan
Gibson had a bad year last season, but other than that he's been probably the best goalie in the league for a good portion of the last 5 years. His GAA and Sv% look bad because he's been playing behind terrible Anaheim teams. If you look at his Goals Saved Above Expected/Average (a lot more telling stats), you'll be able to see the difference.


That's just not true though. Since 2018 (the 2nd half of the 2018-19 season, the entire 2019-20 season and all of the 2020-21 season so far), Gibson hasn't been elite any way you slice it.

Looking at the 72 goalies that have played at least 1000 minutes at 5v5 in that span, Gibson is:

- 8th in TOI
- 50th in GSAA
- 44th in GSAA/60
- 5th in HDSA/60
- 42nd in HDSV%

Yes, he plays behind a terrible team. But he isn't making that team better.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2019-01-01&td=2021-04-08&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
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Quoting: CD282
That's just not true though. Since 2018 (the 2nd half of the 2018-19 season, the entire 2019-20 season and all of the 2020-21 season so far), Gibson hasn't been elite any way you slice it.

Looking at the 72 goalies that have played at least 1000 minutes at 5v5 in that span, Gibson is:

- 8th in TOI
- 50th in GSAA
- 44th in GSAA/60
- 5th in HDSA/60
- 42nd in HDSV%

Yes, he plays behind a terrible team. But he isn't making that team better.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2019-01-01&td=2021-04-08&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL


Gibson had a very bad 2019-20, which has sunk his numbers. That's it. This is from Dom's article from The Athletic prior to this season:

"Last season Gibson was expected to be worth 4.8 wins, but instead was just a little bit over replacement level. He had a .904 save percentage, allowing 10.6 goals above expected in the process. That latter mark ranked 71st in the league.

In the two seasons prior Gibson ranked first and first, saving 25 goals in 2018-19 and a staggering 33 in 2017-18. The year before that he was fourth at 23 goals saved and in all has one just season in the negatives: his rookie year, at minus-1.1. It’s rare to find a goalie that is so consistent and that’s what made Gibson such a safe bet – until he wasn’t. The difference between what he did and what was projected of him was worth about four-to-five wins, give or take. That almost entirely explains the difference in projection."

The following is about Murray:

"Over the last three seasons, Murray is not the same goalie who won back-to-back Stanley Cups. The talent is there but the results haven’t been. Last season, Murray had a .900 save percentage and allowed 14 goals above expected in just 38 games, the sixth-worst mark in the league. He was just average in that regard in 2018-19, saving as many as expected, but was back near the bottom in 2017-18, allowing eight off a .907 save percentage. In total, Murray ranks 75th in goals saved above expected and it’s why his rating is barely above replacement level: It’s what he’s been for the majority of the last three seasons. Murray should bounce back from a wretched campaign last year but hoping for what he was from 2015-17 is asking a lot."
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Quoting: Radovan
Gibson had a very bad 2019-20, which has sunk his numbers. That's it. This is from Dom's article from The Athletic prior to this season:

"Last season Gibson was expected to be worth 4.8 wins, but instead was just a little bit over replacement level. He had a .904 save percentage, allowing 10.6 goals above expected in the process. That latter mark ranked 71st in the league.

In the two seasons prior Gibson ranked first and first, saving 25 goals in 2018-19 and a staggering 33 in 2017-18. The year before that he was fourth at 23 goals saved and in all has one just season in the negatives: his rookie year, at minus-1.1. It’s rare to find a goalie that is so consistent and that’s what made Gibson such a safe bet – until he wasn’t. The difference between what he did and what was projected of him was worth about four-to-five wins, give or take. That almost entirely explains the difference in projection."

The following is about Murray:

"Over the last three seasons, Murray is not the same goalie who won back-to-back Stanley Cups. The talent is there but the results haven’t been. Last season, Murray had a .900 save percentage and allowed 14 goals above expected in just 38 games, the sixth-worst mark in the league. He was just average in that regard in 2018-19, saving as many as expected, but was back near the bottom in 2017-18, allowing eight off a .907 save percentage. In total, Murray ranks 75th in goals saved above expected and it’s why his rating is barely above replacement level: It’s what he’s been for the majority of the last three seasons. Murray should bounce back from a wretched campaign last year but hoping for what he was from 2015-17 is asking a lot."

Blah blah blah. The numbers are in: John Gibson hasn't been elite since 2018.
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Quoting: CD282
Blah blah blah. The numbers are in: John Gibson hasn't been elite since 2018.


Since 2019, but yes, I agree. Anyhow, there you go, that's the distinction.
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Modifié 8 avr. à 12 h 24
Quoting: Radovan
Since 2019, but yes, I agree. Anyhow, there you go, that's the distinction.


Since 2018. I gave you the numbers from January 1, 2019 - which means "since 2018". Two and a half seasons. Same for Matt Murray, actually, as he had BETTER numbers in the 2018-19 season than Gibson did. Here are their 1st half / 2nd half numbers for 2018-19:

JG vs MM

5v5 SV%
Oct-Dec: .937 v .918
Jan-Apr: .918 v .941

5v5 HDSV%
Oct-Dec: .883 v .800
Jan-Apr: .816 v .870

So your narrative doesn't work. Murray started off slow and put up average results in the 1st half and then got hot and was elite in the 2nd half. Gibson's play dropped off around New Year's and he's never recovered. So Gibson's slump actually dates back FARTHER than Murray's slump.

BTW, Murray finished the 2018-19 season 5th among the top-31 goalies for 5v5 SV%, 10th in 5v5 HDSV% and 6th in all-situations SV%. Those numbers are elite.
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How does pearson have a ntc and demko doesnt?
 
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