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Créé par: Shoresy69
Équipe: 2020-21 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 31 mars 2021
Publié: 31 mars 2021
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just looking for opinions....Is that CBJ deal even close?

I'd be willing to swap Stanley for Samberg if need be but figured most teams might value stanely higher based on being a former first rounder and hes actually playing impressive (albeit sheltered) minutes in the NHL,... If the jackets insist on Heinola i would even do that deal but the Jets would keep their first rounder in that case (jackets may need to add a smaller asset in that case to get both perfetti and Heinola)

Since acquiring PLD the jets no longer "need" Perfetti and the jackets need a high end center prospect, and not many if any teams have two number 1 defencemen like the Jackets do ...

i think the Jets are real close and all they need is a TRUE number 1 dman, savard, ekholm, ellis all are good dmen no doubt but the jets need a 27 minute a night defenceman that can flat out take control of games like hedman or petro or john carlson.... Losing perfetti and potentially heinola in a deal would sting no doubt but you only get so many chances to grab that brass ring and this may be the jets best chance to roll the dice

just a thought for something different than putting up savard and ekholm or hamonic trades on here for the 87th time in a row :)

Curious for some of your thoughts if i've gone off the deep end or if its something you agree with
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    31 mars 2021 à 15 h 41
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    Columbus isn't trading jones and they wouldnt have to retain salary if they wanted to.
    31 mars 2021 à 15 h 46
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    read above they arent retaining any salary and i think if they would have to at least consider a package like that whether more needs to be added or what they feel, they have to at least consider it imo... question is whether Jones would agree to go to winnipeg
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    31 mars 2021 à 15 h 59
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    Not enough for Oleksiak. Fair value is a 2nd & mid-level prospect
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    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 4
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    Quoting: Shoresy69
    read above they arent retaining any salary and i think if they would have to at least consider a package like that whether more needs to be added or what they feel, they have to at least consider it imo... question is whether Jones would agree to go to winnipeg

    Jets need this, would be tough to possibly only have Jones for 1.5 years, but I’m sure he would come to town for that at least, his dad was a journeyman nba player, so probably taught his son to be a pro at a early age. Tough thing will be if the Jets can’t come up with or not willing to ante up the 8x 9 plus for him longterm or if he has a specific city in mind for ufa. But with a flat cap, wpg should have a fair shot if it’s money related. Seattle with cap room a year into existence may have something to say though.
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    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 6
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    Columbus isn't going to trade Seth Jones unless he tells Jarmo that he isn't going to re-sign.
    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 6
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    Not enough for Oleksiak. Fair value is a 2nd & mid-level prospect


    Yeah i wasnt sure on how to value oleksiak,, dont get too concerned with the value in that trade,, chevy should meet whatever that demand is so long as its reasonable... which i think your suggestion is
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    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 30
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    Ya trade deadline could be interesting with flat cap and expansion, I kind of wonder about klingberg,Schmidt,tanev, Jones, savard, and also the usual suspects in cities that don’t have much hope of playoffs. Just wonder when teams start looking at expansion plans and build for next season. Colombus is kind of interesting with a possible laine contract and even a coaching change might lead to some retool ideas on the fly.
    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 39
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    There is zero chance the Jets give up Stanley, Perfetti and another 1st for a little over a year of Jones. Zero.
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    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 49
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    There is zero chance the Jets give up Stanley, Perfetti and another 1st for a little over a year of Jones. Zero.


    Adding on to this... Since you can't add signing conditions to trades anymore that is what the proposal is.
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    31 mars 2021 à 16 h 53
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    There is zero chance the Jets give up Stanley, Perfetti and another 1st for a little over a year of Jones. Zero.


    gotta give something to get something and either you dont know how good jones is or you dont see how close the jets are to getting over the hump...

    jets have three young NHL calibre Left shot dmen right now, with morrissey locked up not all of them are going to play here....and secondly we dont need perfetti anymore... we need high end wingers for 55 and PLD moving forward those are alot easier to acquire in free agency and via trade when needed and we dont need that this year and possibly not even next if stastny re-ups with the jets at a lower price tag....

    Jones is the missing piece.... if and it is a big IF ...if there is even the slightest chance he is available... chevy should stop at nothing to bring him to winnipeg... and for a year and half sure but if we're winning and he likes it here... resign him... again if it means you cant keep Copp or even Pionk, you deal with that then.... the jets window is wide open right now... why would you not push all your chips in?

    Could the jets make the final four without Jones, yes possibly, but they arent beating vegas or colorado with that D and they sure aren't beating tampa if they get that far.... if the jets are serious about being a contender go for it at any cost this season
    31 mars 2021 à 18 h 37
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    Quoting: Shoresy69
    gotta give something to get something and either you dont know how good jones is or you dont see how close the jets are to getting over the hump...

    jets have three young NHL calibre Left shot dmen right now, with morrissey locked up not all of them are going to play here....and secondly we dont need perfetti anymore... we need high end wingers for 55 and PLD moving forward those are alot easier to acquire in free agency and via trade when needed and we dont need that this year and possibly not even next if stastny re-ups with the jets at a lower price tag....

    Jones is the missing piece.... if and it is a big IF ...if there is even the slightest chance he is available... chevy should stop at nothing to bring him to winnipeg... and for a year and half sure but if we're winning and he likes it here... resign him... again if it means you cant keep Copp or even Pionk, you deal with that then.... the jets window is wide open right now... why would you not push all your chips in?

    Could the jets make the final four without Jones, yes possibly, but they arent beating vegas or colorado with that D and they sure aren't beating tampa if they get that far.... if the jets are serious about being a contender go for it at any cost this season


    Yes, you have to give something to get something, but you don't build successful teams by ridiculously overpaying on trades. Peter Chiarelli loved to make bad trades like that and look what that did for him.

    You may be living 3 years in the past. Jones is good, but hasn't been great for a couple years now. Would he be a help? Of course. Does one player guarantee the Jets a Stanley Cup or even advancing a round or two? Of course not. Hockey is a team game, it's not the NBA where the best player almost always wins.

    Thinking we don't need Perfetti anymore is real short term thinking. Have you ever heard of injuries?
    Or of some players production dripping due to age? Anyone can beat anyone come playoff time. Two seasons ago, during the regular season, everyone was awarding the Stanley Cup to Tampa. What happened then? Columbus walked all over them in the playoffs with an Institute team, so the "you'll never beat Tampa with this team" theory is a fallacy.

    Anyway you look at it, cutting your own throat and sacrificing your team's future for an "all in" one time push with a player you'll have for just over one year, no matter how good a player, is foolish.
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    31 mars 2021 à 18 h 47
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    Funny I started a Jones to Winnipeg trade today.. Lol

    Haven't posted it yet, not sure if I will or not, mine is a bit more generous from the Jets then this one is though, don't think my fellow Jets fans would like it but it's probably what it'd take for Columbus to even consider parting with Jones.
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    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 13
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    Ouch.

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    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 18
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    Yes, you have to give something to get something, but you don't build successful teams by ridiculously overpaying on trades. Peter Chiarelli loved to make bad trades like that and look what that did for him.

    You may be living 3 years in the past. Jones is good, but hasn't been great for a couple years now. Would he be a help? Of course. Does one player guarantee the Jets a Stanley Cup or even advancing a round or two? Of course not. Hockey is a team game, it's not the NBA where the best player almost always wins.

    Thinking we don't need Perfetti anymore is real short term thinking. Have you ever heard of injuries?
    Or of some players production dripping due to age? Anyone can beat anyone come playoff time. Two seasons ago, during the regular season, everyone was awarding the Stanley Cup to Tampa. What happened then? Columbus walked all over them in the playoffs with an Institute team, so the "you'll never beat Tampa with this team" theory is a fallacy.

    Anyway you look at it, cutting your own throat and sacrificing your team's future for an "all in" one time push with a player you'll have for just over one year, no matter how good a player, is foolish.


    Jones has never had the opportunity to play behind 12 forwards like the jets have right now... he would be an absolute stud moving the puck behind that group...

    We have arguably one of the 2 or three best goaltenders in the world right now... dont waste that by waiting for perfetti to be ready to lead us.

    why worry about injuries or production dipping at this point, its not a problem until it is... of course upsets happen nothing is guaranteed but you give yourself the best chance to win period, especially with that forward group and that goaltender, do not waste this opportunity, could it blow up in your face sure, there are no guarantees... perfetti could get a concussion before he ever plays an nhl game and never play hockey again... no one can predict the future... what Chevy does know is that he has a window right now that most teams would kill for... go for it now

    cutting our own throat by sacrificing our future? we've been patiently drafting and developing for a decade to get an opportunity like this... and its not like our core is old there is plenty of time to replace any prospect we have our system.

    Would you really care if Stanley and Perfetti go on to have Hall of Fame careers for columbus if we win a stanley cup this year? i wouldn't... and again just so we're clear i'm not saying its a lock we win the stanley cup it never is but you take your best shot when you have the chance
    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 23
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    Ouch.

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    any coincidence that his numbers dropped after the mass exodus in columbus??... you put him in the right setting and he will far exceed any of those numbers
    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 25
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    Quoting: Shoresy69
    any coincidence that his numbers dropped after the mass exodus in columbus??... you put him in the right setting and he will far exceed any of those numbers


    Three year average. So its been bad for a while.
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    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 29
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    Could be worse.... could be the Canucks.

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    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 31
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    Quoting: Shoresy69
    Jones has never had the opportunity to play behind 12 forwards like the jets have right now... he would be an absolute stud moving the puck behind that group...

    We have arguably one of the 2 or three best goaltenders in the world right now... dont waste that by waiting for perfetti to be ready to lead us.

    why worry about injuries or production dipping at this point, its not a problem until it is... of course upsets happen nothing is guaranteed but you give yourself the best chance to win period, especially with that forward group and that goaltender, do not waste this opportunity, could it blow up in your face sure, there are no guarantees... perfetti could get a concussion before he ever plays an nhl game and never play hockey again... no one can predict the future... what Chevy does know is that he has a window right now that most teams would kill for... go for it now

    cutting our own throat by sacrificing our future? we've been patiently drafting and developing for a decade to get an opportunity like this... and its not like our core is old there is plenty of time to replace any prospect we have our system.

    Would you really care if Stanley and Perfetti go on to have Hall of Fame careers for columbus if we win a stanley cup this year? i wouldn't... and again just so we're clear i'm not saying its a lock we win the stanley cup it never is but you take your best shot when you have the chance


    Well, it is a fun discussion topic anyways. I just think you're putting way too high of an expectation on the difference one player will make.
    31 mars 2021 à 19 h 45
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    Quoting: Shoresy69
    Jones has never had the opportunity to play behind 12 forwards like the jets have right now... he would be an absolute stud moving the puck behind that group...

    We have arguably one of the 2 or three best goaltenders in the world right now... dont waste that by waiting for perfetti to be ready to lead us.

    why worry about injuries or production dipping at this point, its not a problem until it is... of course upsets happen nothing is guaranteed but you give yourself the best chance to win period, especially with that forward group and that goaltender, do not waste this opportunity, could it blow up in your face sure, there are no guarantees... perfetti could get a concussion before he ever plays an nhl game and never play hockey again... no one can predict the future... what Chevy does know is that he has a window right now that most teams would kill for... go for it now

    cutting our own throat by sacrificing our future? we've been patiently drafting and developing for a decade to get an opportunity like this... and its not like our core is old there is plenty of time to replace any prospect we have our system.

    Would you really care if Stanley and Perfetti go on to have Hall of Fame careers for columbus if we win a stanley cup this year? i wouldn't... and again just so we're clear i'm not saying its a lock we win the stanley cup it never is but you take your best shot when you have the chance


    Check out Perfetti's numbers in the AHL, only two of his points have come at even strength, won't be surprised if he isn't a Jet till the 22-23 season, if he could be cashed in for Jones Chevy would have to consider it .
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    31 mars 2021 à 20 h 21
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Check out Perfetti's numbers in the AHL, only two of his points have come at even strength, won't be surprised if he isn't a Jet till the 22-23 season, if he could be cashed in for Jones Chevy would have to consider it .


    Perfetti isn’t even a year away from being drafted, in a non covid world he’ll be tearing up the OHL, usually prospects start in the AHL at 20 and he’s less NHL ready then his peers

    So I’m completely happy he’s keeping up and putting up points

    As for the trade wouldn’t do Jones for Perfetti one on one
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    31 mars 2021 à 20 h 31
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    Quoting: HockeyFan989
    Perfetti isn’t even a year away from being drafted, in a non covid world he’ll be tearing up the OHL, usually prospects start in the AHL at 20 and he’s less NHL ready then his peers

    So I’m completely happy he’s keeping up and putting up points

    As for the trade wouldn’t do Jones for Perfetti one on one


    Many thought he'd go 4th overall, some thought he might be able to make the team this year, he had a quiet World Junior Tournament, might take him a bit longer to make the Jets then originally thought, the Jets are in a cup window now, if Perfetti could land Jones they'd have to at least consider it.
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    31 mars 2021 à 21 h 22
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    Jets are not doing this. Jones is the most overrated player in the NHL. Most I would give up for him is a 2nd
    31 mars 2021 à 22 h 33
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    Jets are not doing this. Jones is the most overrated player in the NHL. Most I would give up for him is a 2nd


    Apparently cap friendly did not like my last reply to you even tho it was clearly just a joke LOL meant no harm by it...
     
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