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Créé par: TheTradeIs1For1
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 25 mars 2021
Publié: 25 mars 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor
12 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
NSH
  1. Abruzzese, Nick [Liste de réserve]
  2. Dermott, Travis
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Ullmark, Linus
Détails additionnels:
Hall, Taylor (Double Retention via Detroit)
BUF
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. Kokkonen, Mikko [Liste de réserve]
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
2nd becomes a 2022 1st if Leafs win the Cup.
3.
TOR
    Taylor Hall Retention
    DET
    1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
    Rachats de contrats
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2021
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    2022
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    2023
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $81 375 616 $0 $0 $124 384 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
    C
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 5
    Hall, Taylor
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
    AD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    AG, C, AD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    700 000 $700 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    700 000 $700 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    750 000 $750 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 3
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Predators de Nashville
    3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
    2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Équipe de réserve
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    821 667 $821 667 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    AG, AD
    RFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    AG, C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    894 167 $894 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    DG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    863 333 $863 333 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    G
    UFA - 2

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Avantage numérique 2
    Hall, T.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Infériorité numérique 2

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    25 mars 2021 à 13 h 49
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    You're gonna need much better bait, to catch the big fish. Everyone declines.
    25 mars 2021 à 13 h 51
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    If they trade Hall it will be for forward prospects and draft picks. They don’t need Engvall at all.
    If they trade Ullmark which is doubtful again draft picks and forward prospects.
    25 mars 2021 à 14 h 2
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    Detroit isn't a charity. Why would we retain that much cap for a measly 4th rd pick?
    25 mars 2021 à 14 h 28
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Detroit isn't a charity. Why would we retain that much cap for a measly 4th rd pick?


    Plus we have 4 or 5 guys on our own team we need to retain on
    25 mars 2021 à 14 h 29
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    2 questions:

    How much does Detroit retain?

    What is Detroit's compensation for that retention?
    25 mars 2021 à 14 h 37
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    Quoting: aedoran
    2 questions:

    How much does Detroit retain?

    What is Detroit's compensation for that retention?


    Roughly 500k on hall and 400k on ullmark of deadline space. So the 4th is more than enough.
    25 mars 2021 à 15 h 3
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Roughly 500k on hall and 400k on ullmark of deadline space. So the 4th is more than enough.


    Unless Detroit can't retain anymore salary because they have retained on 3 of the following players that are most likely to be traded at the TDL: Staal, Bernier, Nemeth, Ryan, Glendening and Merrill.

    Retaining almost a million on 2 different players which ties up 2 of a teams 3 retention slots is worth more than a 4th. It's worth at least a 3rd.

    It's a moot point anyway because Detroit almost certainly will retain on 2 of those players listed above.
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    25 mars 2021 à 22 h 28
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    Quoting: aedoran
    Unless Detroit can't retain anymore salary because they have retained on 3 of the following players that are most likely to be traded at the TDL: Staal, Bernier, Nemeth, Ryan, Glendening and Merrill.

    Retaining almost a million on 2 different players which ties up 2 of a teams 3 retention slots is worth more than a 4th. It's worth at least a 3rd.

    It's a moot point anyway because Detroit almost certainly will retain on 2 of those players listed above.


    I agree that it is unlikely, 900k retention isn’t worth a 4th let alone a 3rd. Toronto got less than a 5th.
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    26 mars 2021 à 4 h 43
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    I agree that it is unlikely, 900k retention isn’t worth a 4th let alone a 3rd. Toronto got less than a 5th.


    In the COVID world where every team is losing money, 900k might be a lot more of an ask than before. I don't think there's an accurate comparable because of the current situation.
    Also, I don't think salary retention can be retained more than 50%, even between multiple teams.
    26 mars 2021 à 9 h 46
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    Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility
    In the COVID world where every team is losing money, 900k might be a lot more of an ask than before. I don't think there's an accurate comparable because of the current situation.
    Also, I don't think salary retention can be retained more than 50%, even between multiple teams.


    Sure there is... and it’s with detroit. They took on marc staal’s 5.2m for a 2nd. It was an early 2nd so that lines up with “business as usual”. Everyone tries to make a big deal out of everything. The last 2 years it’s been Covid. Everyone preaches big returns that just don’t come.
    28 mars 2021 à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Sure there is... and it’s with detroit. They took on marc staal’s 5.2m for a 2nd. It was an early 2nd so that lines up with “business as usual”. Everyone tries to make a big deal out of everything. The last 2 years it’s been Covid. Everyone preaches big returns that just don’t come.


    That was also before the flat cap had been established, and before every team knew they were going to be losing money for another full season. Still not an accurate comparison. Retention may not fetch an early draft pick, but it still doesn't necessarily make owners want to open their wallets for a player that will be a longshot to make the NHL.
    28 mars 2021 à 11 h 13
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    Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility
    That was also before the flat cap had been established, and before every team knew they were going to be losing money for another full season. Still not an accurate comparison. Retention may not fetch an early draft pick, but it still doesn't necessarily make owners want to open their wallets for a player that will be a longshot to make the NHL.


    Wrong....

    I gave you a perfect example and you come back and lie.
    24 avr. 2021 à 19 h 31
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Wrong....

    I gave you a perfect example and you come back and lie.


    So, out of morbid curiosity, what do you think I'm lying about? Marc Staal was a cap dump at a position of need for the Red Wings. Staal is playing for the Wings the entire season, so deadline retention is not an apples to apples comparison. Also worth noting, all retention at the deadline was about half of what was proposed here for around the same price.
    25 avr. 2021 à 11 h 7
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    Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility
    So, out of morbid curiosity, what do you think I'm lying about? Marc Staal was a cap dump at a position of need for the Red Wings. Staal is playing for the Wings the entire season, so deadline retention is not an apples to apples comparison. Also worth noting, all retention at the deadline was about half of what was proposed here for around the same price.


    Marc staal was traded after the flat cap was known.

    San Jose retained for janmark 5th and foligno 4th and detroit a 4th for savard. what the hell are you talking about?

    I was spot on right. You were wrong.
    26 avr. 2021 à 4 h 3
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Marc staal was traded after the flat cap was known.

    San Jose retained for janmark 5th and foligno 4th and detroit a 4th for savard. what the hell are you talking about?

    I was spot on right. You were wrong.


    No, you misunderstood me. When I mention the flat cap, I'm not talking about this season only.
    https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-nhlpa-ratify-cba-extension-through-2025-26-season/c-317377214
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/bettman-nhl-salary-cap-will-remain-flat-near-flat-immediate-future/
    The flat cap was announced as part of the return to play plan last year. The wording stated that the cap could increase if hockey-related revenue was high enough. This left many (myself included) hopeful that the cap could increase for next season. Last month, Bettman stated that the cap will likely stay flat for the "immediate future," pretty much guaranteeing that the cap won't rise next season. That's what I was talking about.
    The trade above has Detroit retaining $2M for a 4th. San Jose retained $1.375M for a 4th, $562.5K for a 5th, and Detroit retained $1.0625M for a 4th. Considering what actually happened at the deadline, the proposed trade is bad value.
     
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