Worst Case Scenario if EJ Doesnt Waive NMC

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Créé par: UpsideDownQue

Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 17 mars 2021

Publié: 17 mars 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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If EJ doesnt waive his NMC he's gotta be bought out. No chance the Avs are losing Makar/Toews/Girard and they wouldnt risk losing Burakovsky either in a 4F4D scenario

In this scenario if SEA takes Graves then the Avs look kinda thin on RD. Girard could move to the right side but I think adding a shutdown RD would be a better solution, Ive already noticed a few times where Girard has been put in awkward positions trying to keep the puck in the offensive zone on his backhand and would rather just keep him on his natural side. Savard seems like a perfect fit and could be traded down the line if Timmins/Barron/Helleson are capable of taking a top 4 spot. Im not sure if he would sign for the same AAV though

Honestly im not sure what kind of term Makar would be looking for but im just gonna assume its a long term one. 9M AAV makes him the 4th highest paid D man in the league and locks him up until hes 30. Realistically he could instead opt for a bridge deal and the Avs would make that work if needed.

Landeskog gets 7x7, putting him above guys like Kreider and Gallagher which I think is reasonable. Ideally 5-6 years would be better term for the team but the extra year may help keep the AAV down a bit.

Grubauer is proving he is a fantastic starter and gets compensated for it. Signs an identical deal to what Varlamov got in NYI

Saad signs after UFA begins and takes (an admittedly team-friendly) 3x4.25M deal. He may get offered more elsewhere but I think he really likes playing in COL and may take a bit less to play here. If he signs then I think Donskoi or Compher would be moved to make room.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE	ANS	CAP HIT
Newhook, Alex	3	925 000 $
Foudy, Jean-Luc	3	925 000 $
Barron, Justin	3	925 000 $
Beaucage, Alex	3	925 000 $
Burzan, Luka	3	850 000 $
Mutala, Sasha	3	850 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Gilbert, Dennis	1	874 125 $
Timmins, Conor	1	874 125 $
Werner, Adam	1	813 750 $
Jost, Tyson	2	1 500 000 $
Jones, Peyton	1	750 000 $
Makar, Cale	8	9 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Grubauer, Philipp	4	5 000 000 $
Landeskog, Gabriel	7	7 000 000 $
Saad, Brandon	3	4 250 000 $
Savard, David	3	4 250 000 $
Burroughs, Kyle	1	750 000 $
Megna, Jayson	1	750 000 $

Transactions

COL

Protection List:
MacKinnon
Landeskog
Rantanen
Kadri
Burakovsky
Nichushkin
Jost

Makar
Toews
Girard

Grubauer

Assuming both Grubauer and Landeskog are extended before they reach UFA. I assume Saad could be left until July 1 (or whatever the UFA date is this year) and COL would still have a reasonable chance at signing him, but I would prioritize Landeskog and Grubauer's contracts

VGK

Graves, Ryan

Détails additionnels:

Expansion Draft

COL

Could be to any team

BUF

Compher, J.T.

Rachats de contrats

Erik Johnson: 2 000 000 $

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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	81 500 000 $	81 473 088 $	1 741 463 $	2 925 000 $	26 912 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 8	MacKinnon, Nathan 6 300 000 $6 300 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C UFA - 4
Saad, Brandon 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Burakovsky, André 4 900 000 $4 900 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Nichushkin, Valeri 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Donskoi, Joonas 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ AD UFA - 2
O'Connor, Logan 725 000 $725 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Jost, Tyson 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C UFA - 2	Kaut, Martin 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) AD RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 6	Grubauer, Philipp 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G UFA - 6
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 6	Savard, David 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen 894 167 $894 167 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 2	Timmins, Conor 874 125 $874 125 $ DD RFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Gilbert, Dennis 874 125 $874 125 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1
Bowers, Shane 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (200 000 $$200K) C RFA - 1
Megna, Jayson 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C, AG, AD UFA - 2
Burroughs, Kyle 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG/DD UFA - 2
Miska, Hunter 725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 1
MacDonald, Jacob 725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG/DD UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Landeskog, G.		Kadri, N.		Rantanen, M.
	MacKinnon, N.		Makar, C.

Avantage numérique 2
Saad, B.		Newhook, A.		Burakovsky, A.
	Toews, D.		Girard, S.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Jost, T.	O'Connor, L.
	Toews, D.	Savard, D.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Nichushkin, V.	Donskoi, J.
	Byram, B.	Makar, C.

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 19

Mediumyeet

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Honestly I don’t think it would be the worst idea to let landeskog stay an FA until after expansion. Frees up another protection as long as both sides know that landeskog is going to stay in Colorado and I’m pretty confident that is the case

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 21

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Are NMC's able to be bought out?

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 21

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

that might be the worst thing the avs could do, you do not let a player get tempted by legal tampering periods. Do not put that voodoo out there...bc Seattle could talk to him and say we would pay you 8.5m a season...now the avs have a competition to increase their offer

You sign the deal with him and you dont play games

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17 mars 2021 à 15 h 22

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Quoting: Jetman

Are NMC's able to be bought out?

yes

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 22

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

In theory that would be better if we knew Landeskog would sign, but tbh I wouldnt risk it. In an ideal world they would do that with Landeskog, Saad, and Grubauer but in all scenarios I think SEA would take Graves anyway

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17 mars 2021 à 15 h 22

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Quoting: Jetman

Are NMC's able to be bought out?

yes

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 28

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Quoting: Jetman

Are NMC's able to be bought out?

I couldn't find a quick answer by searching, but before they changed the dates on the league year the expansion draft was the end of June and under a normal year, the 1st buyout window opens June 15th or 48 hours after the Cup is awarded so teams should be able to buy someone out before the draft if they want.

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 32

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Quoting: JayTea

For sure that they can buy a player out before the draft...I just wasnt sure if you could buy out a NMC as you can't waive them and send them to the AHL and whatnot

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17 mars 2021 à 15 h 33

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I can't see Makar getting that type of deal

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17 mars 2021 à 15 h 40

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Quoting: Jetman

For sure that they can buy a player out before the draft...I just wasnt sure if you could buy out a NMC as you can't waive them and send them to the AHL and whatnot

I wasn't sure if a buyout window would be available prior to the draft.

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 50

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Quoting: Jetman

Are NMC's able to be bought out?

Quoting: coga16

yes

From what I understand, a player has to be placed on unconditional waivers prior to being bought out. I believe a no movement clause allows the player to reject being placed on waivers, which means they can reject being bought out. So if he won’t waive for ED, I doubt he would waive to be bought out

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 53

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I can't see them buying him out. I think they would trade him with max retention, work out a side deal wirh Seattle, or even just lose Burakovsky before they did that.

Personally I think he'll waive though and it will be moot.

17 mars 2021 à 15 h 54

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Quoting: The_Rocket

thats incorrect, Corey Perry had a full NMC and was just bought out, patrick Marleau was a +35 contract with a full NMC and was bought out. Lundqvist and Bobby Ryan...NMCs, bought out

NMCs do no protect you from buyouts

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17 mars 2021 à 15 h 59

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Quoting: coga16

thats incorrect, Corey Perry had a full NMC and was just bought out, patrick Marleau was a +35 contract with a full NMC and was bought out. Lundqvist and Bobby Ryan...NMCs, bought
NMCs do no protect you from buyouts

Oh okay then. I know Marleau had waived his NMC to be bought out which is why I thought a player had to agree to it in order to be bought out. Hadn’t considered the other examples

17 mars 2021 à 16 h 2

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Quoting: The_Rocket

Oh okay then. I know Marleau had waived his NMC to be bought out which is why I thought a player had to agree to it in order to be bought out. Hadn’t considered the other examples

if its inseason and they are terminating the contract thats one thing...but in the buyout period you can buyout as needed
they player can reject being waived during the buyout period bc of their NMC in fear of being claimed and proceed to the buyout process. But the buyout is happening one way or another

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17 mars 2021 à 16 h 10

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@moli92 @coga16 I feel like Grubauer will get at least what Binnington just signed for in the $6 x 6. No?

17 mars 2021 à 16 h 12

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Quoting: Foppa21

moli92 coga16 I feel like Grubauer will get at least what Binnington just signed for in the $6 x 6. No?

Im thinking 5.5m is the sweet spot.

Lehner got 5x5, Binnington and Markstrom got 6x6. So somewhere in between based on terms. 5-5.5mx6 or 5.5-6mx5.
I just dont think his resume is as solid to get a full 6x6 in comparison but if it takes 6x6 you do it

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17 mars 2021 à 16 h 21

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I like everything you did here
The only things I doubt are the years Saad Savard Grubauer signed
Saad will use Toffoli as a comparable (4 years 4.25M)
Savard will get at least 4 years
Grubauer probably 5-6 years

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17 mars 2021 à 16 h 33

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Quoting: Foppa21

moli92 coga16 I feel like Grubauer will get at least what Binnington just signed for in the $6 x 6. No?

Binnington gets the stanley cup boost just like Murray did. Both of those are bad contracts imo. I think 5M is fair for Gru, hes been solid but in a relatively small number of games

The only knock against Grubauer is that he hasnt had the volume starts like many other goalies have (which is not entirely his fault, hes had some injuries and is now part of 2 shortened seasons which limits his GP). Hes been a workhorse this year but its still only been 23 games for him. The most hes played in an NHL season is 37, thats gonna hold him back from the 6M range imo

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