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Créé par: Kitch

Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 16 mars 2021

Publié: 16 mars 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Transactions

TOR

Détails additionnels:

Leafs take on Dubi’s contract to help BJ’s with real money situation

CBJ

Hirvonen, Roni [Liste de réserve]
Kerfoot, Alexander
Räsänen, Eemeli [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TOR)

TOR

Gibson, John
Kesler, Ryan
Steel, Sam
Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (ANA)

Détails additionnels:

Ducks flip Andersen in another deal for prospect + 2nd

ANA

Amirov, Rodion [Liste de réserve]
Andersen, Frederik
Dermott, Travis
Mikheyev, Ilya
Niemelä, Topi [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

This assumes Gibson asks out to win now to avoid rebuild,

Leafs also take on keslers real cash to help ducks owners

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	81 500 000 $	81 109 783 $	0 $	0 $	390 217 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Robertson, Nicholas 821 667 $821 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
Jenner, Boone 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Simmonds, Wayne 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 1	Thornton, Joe 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 1	Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Steel, Sam 863 333 $863 333 $ C, AG RFA - 1	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 4	Gibson, John 6 400 000 $6 400 000 $ G UFA - 7
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Bogosian, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Kesler, Ryan 6 875 000 $6 875 000 $ C, AD NMC UFA - 2
		Dubinsky, Brandon 5 850 000 $5 850 000 $ C, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Boyd, Travis 700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C, AD UFA - 1
Hutchinson, Michael 725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 2
Vesey, Jimmy 900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1
Agostino, Kenny 737 500 $737 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1

16 mars 2021 à 19 h 59

LGuy54

TOR V5 GM

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There is no magic dubas is an awful GM

16 mars 2021 à 20 h 0

sensonfire

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Columbus accepts.

Anaheim accepts only if Andersen signs an extension with the Ducks.

The Ducks need to get a starting goalie from somewhere if they're trading Gibson

OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.

16 mars 2021 à 20 h 4

KingLundqvist30

Breadman likes Bread

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Ducks reject, they aren’t going to take scraps for Gibson. The only enticing pieces would be Niemela and Amirov.

Stgstg55 et OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.

16 mars 2021 à 20 h 9

Stgstg55

Xx_Zegras46_xX

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Quoting: KingLundqvist30

Ducks reject, they aren’t going to take scraps for Gibson. The only enticing pieces would be Niemela and Amirov.

^ what he said

OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.

16 mars 2021 à 20 h 49

Kitch

Démarrer sujet

Kitch

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Quoting: KingLundqvist30

Ducks reject, they aren’t going to take scraps for Gibson. The only enticing pieces would be Niemela and Amirov.

Lets examine some trades involving elite goalies from the last decade or so shall we?

Miller trade got the sabers Halak, Stewart, Carrier, 1st and 3rd.

This trade gets the ducks Andersen (better then Halak), A 1st, plus a blue chip prospect and a B prospect. Alot better of a return.

Schneider got the Nucks the 9th overall pick.
Luongo got them Markstorm, Matthias,
Andersen to the leafs was for 30th overall and a 3rd.
Murray for a prospect and a mid 2nd.

The core of the trade is Gibson for Amirov, Neimela, and a 1st.
Andersen and Mikheyev are included to make the money work, and the Ducks can easily trade him for 50% retained to any club and get atleasr another 2nd + prospect if they want.

Then you have Dermott for Steel, both young peices that could use a change of scenery

16 mars 2021 à 20 h 59

HockeyFan989

wpg

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Quoting: Kitch

Gibson is a top 3 goalie with a contract that’s a bigger steal then McKinnon’s.... so yeah

OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.

16 mars 2021 à 21 h 13

Britishbulldog

C,mon Leafs...Please

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Quoting: KingLundqvist30

Ducks reject, they aren’t going to take scraps for Gibson. The only enticing pieces would be Niemela and Amirov.

I think you folks know my tone as friendly and genuinely inquisitive and NOT a troll so with that established I need to ask a sincere question to Gibson supporters. Living in Atlantic Canada I don't get to see many Ducks' games but when I have over this season and last Gibson has been horrid. I was wondering with the fascination my fellow Leaf fans have been displaying with Gibson and thought I would see if things have been better than I thought with him.

Here's what I have found:
- Gibson has only won 1 game in the last 11...and that was an OT win that he blew a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period only to be bailed out by his team mates in the extra period
- in those 11 games he only posted a save % above .900 once
- I say parts of the St Louis game this year where he let in 3 goals on only 6 shots in just over 2 minutes
- Greg Wyshynski (ESPN) noted how well Gibson played the last 2 years before he signed this recent contract. Since then not so much.
- He signed an 8 year contract @ $6.4 MIL per year
- after this season he has a M-NTC kicking in

So are you defenders of Gibson looking at 17/18 and 18/19 Gibson and putting his value on that or do you see him this season as a top goalie in the NHL? @HadesOfSoCal

16 mars 2021 à 21 h 15

Britishbulldog

C,mon Leafs...Please

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Quoting: HockeyFan989

Gibson is a top 3 goalie with a contract that’s a bigger steal then McKinnon’s.... so yeah

Ummm...not sure if you are serious...

18 mars 2021 à 21 h 4

HockeyFan989

wpg

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Quoting: Britishbulldog

Ummm...not sure if you are serious...

100%

Helle, Vasilevskiy and Gibson r the top 3 goalies in the nhl imo

Gibson doesn’t stand out that much cause of the the mediocre team around him but his contract makes him the most valuable of the 3

OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.

20 mars 2021 à 18 h 7

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OldNYIfan

Once a Kings Fan Too

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Quoting: Britishbulldog

I think you folks know my tone as friendly and genuinely inquisitive and NOT a troll so with that established I need to ask a sincere question to Gibson supporters. Living in Atlantic Canada I don't get to see many Ducks' games but when I have over this season and last Gibson has been horrid. I was wondering with the fascination my fellow Leaf fans have been displaying with Gibson and thought I would see if things have been better than I thought with him.

Here's what I have found:
- Gibson has only won 1 game in the last 11...and that was an OT win that he blew a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period only to be bailed out by his team mates in the extra period
- in those 11 games he only posted a save % above .900 once
- I say parts of the St Louis game this year where he let in 3 goals on only 6 shots in just over 2 minutes
- Greg Wyshynski (ESPN) noted how well Gibson played the last 2 years before he signed this recent contract. Since then not so much.
- He signed an 8 year contract $6.4 MIL per year
- after this season he has a M-NTC kicking in

So are you defenders of Gibson looking at 17/18 and 18/19 Gibson and putting his value on that or do you see him this season as a top goalie in the NHL? HadesOfSoCal

Here's how I look at it: Andersen has a save percentage of 0.897, Gibson 0.894 -- that's 3 goals out of one thousand. Andersen's GAA is 2.91 with no shutouts, Gibson's is 3.11 with three 1-0 shutouts. Andersen has 13 wins playing on a team with the 7th-best defense in the league and the best defense in his division; Gibson has 6 wins playing with the 24th-best defense in the league and the worst in his division (judging the latter by GA), not to mention the 30th-"best" offense in the league. Appearances can be deceiving. Prior to his recent injury, Gibson gave up 5 goals in each of three games; I can tell you that, believe it or not, not one of them was stoppable by a human being. Gibson's value is that he solves a team's goalie problems for six more years; starting in July, Toronto will be hunting one for next season.

20 mars 2021 à 18 h 16

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OldNYIfan

Once a Kings Fan Too

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Quoting: Kitch

Lets examine some trades involving elite goalies from the last decade or so shall we?

Miller trade got the sabers Halak, Stewart, Carrier, 1st and 3rd.

This trade gets the ducks Andersen (better then Halak), A 1st, plus a blue chip prospect and a B prospect. Alot better of a return.

Schneider got the Nucks the 9th overall pick.
Luongo got them Markstorm, Matthias,
Andersen to the leafs was for 30th overall and a 3rd.
Murray for a prospect and a mid 2nd.

The core of the trade is Gibson for Amirov, Neimela, and a 1st.
Andersen and Mikheyev are included to make the money work, and the Ducks can easily trade him for 50% retained to any club and get at least another 2nd + prospect if they want.

Then you have Dermott for Steel, both young pieces that could use a change of scenery

So you want us to trade our starting goalie for the next 6 years in return for three "ifs"?

The fact that "Andersen and Mikheyev are included to make the money work" is a benefit to Toronto, not Anaheim, so there has to be compensation for that. We don't need Mikheyev and Andersen won't be able to play more than 10 games for us after he quarantines. The fact that we "could" do something with either or both is pure speculation; their presence in this trade is a burden, not a bonus.

We have no need to give Sam Steel (whom we can protect in the expansion draft as one of our seven forwards) a change of scenery, as he's developing fine; Dermott would have to be exposed to Seattle in the expansion draft.

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