Rakell doesnt have that kind of value. He's a minor upgrade over Kerfoot with less term, you won't see assets like firsts or top prospects going back in a deal involving those 2.

I can't see us getting the guy Toronto traded Kasperi Kapanen for, plus another first-round pick, not to mention an actual NHL middle-6 forward, all for Rakell.

I would assume this is in response to the article Lebrun wrote "6 deadline deals that would shake up the NHL" or something or other. He is having a down year, but an extra year of control helps so hes not a true rental. Ultimately I think he COULD return that kind of value in a bidding war, but I don't think it would be from the Leafs who are gonna need scorers on ELCs to maximize their window.

Agreed Kerfoot and a 1st would be more than fair for 1.5 years of Rakell. Toronto gave 2 B prospects and a 1st for 1.5 years of Muzzin. Forwards are worth less than top 4 Dman so we aint giving an A prospect, a servicable top 6/3c player and a 1st for 1.5 years of Rakell

He won't get that kind of return with another middle 6 winger with longer term going back in the deal.

Rackell has turned his season around and is showing that he still has it. He isn’t worth this much.

I would certainly give kerfoot and a 1st with the retention I would add for 50%. Maybe a lesser prospect or a 2nd.

Pierre LeBrun thinks otherwise. Go read he’s article.

Maybe Kerfoot and a first? IDK about Amirov, I think he impressed during the Juniors for Team Russia. Definitely heading in the right direction though

From LeBrun's article:
'Teams will have to pay to get him. For me, that starts with the Leafs offering 2020 first-round pick Rodion Amirov and still, that probably wouldn’t be enough. Toronto would need another asset in the package. The Leafs are all-in. GM Kyle Dubas owes it to the cause to investigate the Rakell situation.'

That doesn't discourage from what I've said at all. If you are trading another middle 6 winger with longer term and similar results back, that would be the big asset in the trade. Not Amirov or a 1st.

Yeah in the article it was "starts with Amirov and probably adds another 1st" I can see why a player would need to be included for cap reasons but you're basically almost offsetting the contract value there so its not really worth it in this case. Idk why people are so down on Kerfoot all the time I love the dude as a 3C

LeBrun's quote:
''Teams will have to pay to get him. For me, that starts with the Leafs offering 2020 first-round pick Rodion Amirov and still, that probably wouldn’t be enough. Toronto would need another asset in the package. The Leafs are all-in. GM Kyle Dubas owes it to the cause to investigate the Rakell situation.''

Never mentions a 1st, nor does it mention Kerfoot. If you are going to try to quote an article, you should quote it accurately.

Yeah, I can't construct a trade for Amirov that I think would be fair to Toronto, which is fine because we don't need LWs. But I think Rakell with 50% retention for Liljegren and your 2021 first is fair. The pick is only possible because of the retention; we might have to add a third-round pick. Liljegren plus William Villeneuve plus your 2021 second might work, too.

I mean, you can see that I didn't give it much thought in my head from not remembering cuz I didn't think they were gonna give up Amirov in the 1st place. Like I said. Maybe some team with more prospect depth finds the value there, but its not gonna be the leafs, especially with a two week quarantine.

I find it odd that you're dead set against giving up your 2021 first but you're blithely willing to trade away your 2020 first, who to me is a more valuable asset (and not just because the 2021 first is as certain to be later as these things can be).

I'm deadset against trading either if they are going in a package with Kerfoot for Rakell. Kerfoot would be the big piece in a middle 6 winger for another middle 6 winger type of trade. They might get mid round picks, low B/high C prospects, to fill the gap but there just isn't that big a gap to fill. Its not the pick or Amirov thats the piece that doesn't belong in the trade, its Kerfoot. The entire point of picking up another winger for the Leafs is to many their scoring deeper. You don't get that big of a gain by moving a winger for a winger.

It was your Comment #11 that led me to conclude that you were willing to trade Amirov but not the first. And mentally, I was leaving Kerfoot out of the discussion completely because we don't need him; we wouldn't be trading Rakell away to get a LW or C when our most pressing and serious needs are at RW and RD. In short, Amirov is too much for us to ask and we wouldn't ask for Kerfoot at all. To me, the issue is would Toronto accept Rakell with $1,894,722 retained for Liljegren and your 2021 first? If not, would you accept that offer if we added our 2022 third to it?

For a top 6 winger with term, that would be the ballpark. With 2 years term, I think the Ducks might even ask for a bit more. I don't think Rakell is a fit with the Leafs at all though. Any sort of player with term just means we will be losing a bigger piece to Seattle, so there's a hidden cost of a top 4 defenseman in there, while a rental doesn't create that problem and will be much cheaper.

No wonder this was created by a Ducks fan. This is ludicrous. I though it was some kind of joke at first.