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Just another Granlund trade

Créé par: Byrr
Date de création initiale: mar 9, 2021
Publié: 9 mar à 15 h 45
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Trade value is taken from comparable trades for Gustav Nyquist and Mats Zuccarello at the 2019 deadline. The Leafs don't have a 3rd round pick in 2021 so I threw in a middling prospect instead.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Granlund, Mikael (1 875 000 $ retained)
NSH
  1. Abramov, Mikhail
  2. 2021 2e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
2nd becomes a 2021 1st if the Leafs make the Stanley cup Final
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $81 274 741 $0 $0 $225 259 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NSH
Granlund, Mikael
1 875 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
874 125 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
900 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Boyd, Travis
700 000 $ (0 $)
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
725 000 $ (0 $)
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $ (0 $)
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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9 mar à 15 h 48
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Nashville fans will be screaming. But that's his value to the Leafs and no more. Don't know if justified playing top 6 minutes for the Leafs.
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9 mar à 15 h 48
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Quoting: palhal
Nashville fans will be screaming. But that's his value to the Leafs and no more. Don't know if justified playing top 6 minutes for the Leafs.


They might scream but thats why I listed the comparable trades I used for value. They'll have to argue why Granlund is worth more.
9 mar à 15 h 51
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Quoting: Byrr
They might scream but thats why I listed the comparable trades I used for value. They'll have to argue why Granlund is worth more.


Seems like when CF folks post a Granlund going to the the other 29 teams in the league (not Nashville, or the Leafs), with similar value to yours, Nashville fans have no complaints
But a Leafs post....Kerfoot and and a 1st isn't enough.
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9 mar à 15 h 53
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Quoting: palhal
Seems like when CF folks post a Granlund going to the the other 29 teams in the league (not Nashville, or the Leafs), with similar value to yours, Nashville fans have no complaints
But a Leafs post....Kerfoot and and a 1st isn't enough.


We just don't want to retain Kerfoot in that deal.
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9 mar à 15 h 54
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Quoting: Byrr
They might scream but thats why I listed the comparable trades I used for value. They'll have to argue why Granlund is worth more.


Quoting: palhal
Nashville fans will be screaming. But that's his value to the Leafs and no more. Don't know if justified playing top 6 minutes for the Leafs.


I actually love this deal Abramov is a prospect who has some good upside I would accept this for Granlund.
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9 mar à 15 h 55
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
I actually love this deal Abramov is a prospect who has some good upside I would accept this for Granlund.


I used a higher end 'middling prospect' because the Leafs would be asking Nashville to retain around 400-500k more than the comparable trades in a cap environment where it might be more valuable.
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9 mar à 15 h 57
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
We just don't want to retain Kerfoot in that deal.


Sorry, in every virtually trade cap has to come to back to other team. Don't know why you such bone against Kerfoot. He's better than Johansen and pretty close to Duchene and the Preds have 15m tied up in those guys. You seem to think these Nashville forwards, on the fourth worse scoring team in the NHL and one of the worse defensively have so much value.
9 mar à 15 h 58
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Quoting: Byrr
I used a higher end 'middling prospect' because the Leafs would be asking Nashville to retain around 400-500k more than the comparable trades in a cap environment where it might be more valuable.


Abramov is a guy who can play on our top 6 or in the top 9 with offensive upside. He has a very dangerous shot. This is a very good offer that we would be dumb to decline.
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9 mar à 16 h 00
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NSH accepts. Personally I've always liked Abruzzese, and would ask for him instead of Abramov. Not sure if TOR especially values one more than the other. Even if it's a no from the Leafs, I'm still good with the OP.
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9 mar à 16 h 02
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Quoting: palhal
Sorry, in every virtually trade cap has to come to back to other team. Don't know why you such bone against Kerfoot. He's better than Johansen and pretty close to Duchene and the Preds have 15m tied up in those guys. You seem to think these Nashville forwards, on the fourth worse scoring team in the NHL and one of the worse defensively have so much value.


Nashville will more than likely try to get one of them taken by Seattle, probably Johansen. Their stats lately are comparable between the 3 of them. Kerfoot is a below 50% FO guy where Joey and Duchene are over 50. I know some salary probably needs to come back but in this particular deal Nashville is retaining half so money does not need to come back.
9 mar à 16 h 03
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Quoting: gmgb
NSH accepts. Personally I've always liked Abruzzese, and would ask for him instead of Abramov. Not sure if TOR especially values one more than the other. Even if it's a no from the Leafs, I'm still good with the OP.


If I was Toronto GM, I'd start with Abruzzese as the offer rather than Abramov but I didn't want to get into some long fight in the comments. The thing that discouraged me from using Abruzzese is that he could actually elect for free agency this summer since he's coming out of the NCAA and I think that makes him much riskier to use in a trade like this.
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9 mar à 16 h 05
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
Nashville will more than likely try to get one of them taken by Seattle, probably Johansen. Their stats lately are comparable between the 3 of them. Kerfoot is a below 50% FO guy where Joey and Duchene are over 50. I know some salary probably needs to come back but in this particular deal Nashville is retaining half so money does not need to come back.


There is no way Seattle takes Johansen. They can spend 8m a lot better on UFAs. Every "homer" thinks Seattle is going to take awful contracts. Johansen's term makes his contract one of the worse in the league.
9 mar à 16 h 05
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Quoting: Byrr
If I was Toronto GM, I'd start with Abruzzese as the offer rather than Abramov but I didn't want to get into some long fight in the comments. The thing that discouraged me from using Abruzzese is that he could actually elect for free agency this summer since he's coming out of the NCAA.


That is one thing Nashville knows very well from our time having Vesey in the pool and him electing to not sign.
9 mar à 16 h 07
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Quoting: palhal
There is no way Seattle takes Johansen. They can spend 8m a lot better on UFAs. Every "homer" thinks Seattle is going to take awful contracts. Johansen's term makes his contract one of the worse in the league.


I said they will try to get them to take it I didn't say they would. They will be looking to do anything they can to offload one of those contracts. Neither one of them are bad players they just haven't performed up to the standards of their deals. Give both of them talent around them and they can produce.
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Quoting: Byrr
If I was Toronto GM, I'd start with Abruzzese as the offer rather than Abramov but I didn't want to get into some long fight in the comments. The thing that discouraged me from using Abruzzese is that he could actually elect for free agency this summer since he's coming out of the NCAA and I think that makes him much riskier to use in a trade like this.


I mean Abruzzese over Abramov is just my opinion. Other Preds fans could prefer Abramov. It's honestly hard to compare them right now, when one is playing and the other isn't. Knowing David Poile, he's going to prefer the US born NCAA guy.
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9 mar à 16 h 07
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
That is one thing Nashville knows very well from our time having Vesey in the pool and him electing to not sign.


Something I bet they are well aware of too since the top free agent coming out of college this summer is potentially a Nashville draft pick, David Farrance.
9 mar à 16 h 08
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Quoting: Byrr
Something I bet they are well aware of too since the top free agent coming out of college this summer is potentially a Nashville draft pick, David Farrance.


They are gonna do everything they can to get his name on the dotted line. He wants to come out and head straight to the NHL.
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9 mar à 16 h 15
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Quoting: palhal
Nashville fans will be screaming. But that's his value to the Leafs and no more. Don't know if justified playing top 6 minutes for the Leafs.


Nah I think most Nashville fans will say fair deal to this one. I'd certainly consider it as well. Would not shock me in the slightest if this deal took place.
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9 mar à 16 h 16
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Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
That is one thing Nashville knows very well from our time having Vesey in the pool and him electing to not sign.


I think the Vesey situation gets overblown. He was one guy who made a rather illogical decision (NSH would have inserted him into the lineup for that playoff drive, burning a year off his ELC), no reason to think he's part of a trend. I don't think Vesey is the harbinger of no college player ever signing with NSH again, just one individual who made that choice for whatever his personal preferences at the time were. NSH eventually got Pitlick out of it and Vesey never lived up to the hype. No big loss.
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Quoting: gmgb
I think the Vesey situation gets overblown. He was one guy who made a rather illogical decision (NSH would have inserted him into the lineup for that playoff drive, burning a year off his ELC), no reason to think he's part of a trend. I don't think Vesey is the harbinger of no college player ever signing with NSH again, just one individual who made that choice for whatever his personal preferences at the time were. NSH eventually got Pitlick out of it and Vesey never lived up to the hype. No big loss.


I agree i think he would have benefited coming to Nashville versus the Rangers. Huge market for a top player coming out of college to underperform vs Nashville where we would have seen what he could do during the playoff run and probably get sent to Milwaukee if needed.
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9 mar à 16 h 53
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James Mirtle

The Detroit Red Wings flipped Nyquist for a second-round draft pick and a conditional third-round pick. Zuccarello netted the New York Rangers conditional second- and third-round picks. Both players were rentals and had 30 percent of their salaries retained.

The Leafs don’t have a 2021 third-rounder due to the Jack Campbell trade last year, but they could just as easily give up their 2022 pick if that was the asking price. Or throw in a middling prospect from a pipeline that took a big step forward after the 2020 draft.
 
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