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What I think it would take for Eichel to work in Colorado from cap perspective

Créé par: Anus_McLeod
Date de création initiale: mar 5, 2021
Publié: 5 mar à 11 h 23
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Too many aren't considering the cap enough with the Eichel to Colorado trades. Obviously I would love to have a Mack/Jack combo, but basically it would take the following in order to make it work and still have good players around Eichel:

-All of Compher, Donskoi, and Graves need to go (maybe Kadri, but he has trade protection, which makes it a little tougher)
-Makar needs to take a bridge
-Landeskog and Grubauer need to take very reasonable deals
-The Avs cannot include Newhook, as they need him in order to fill the lineup
-Based on the above, the Sabres would have to accept a trade that does not include Newhook, which I doubt they do
-Unless it happens after the expansion draft, Johnson needs to waive his NMC
-Avs need to find a bargain LD (note that Chara is not a serious plug here, but it made me chuckle)

It's really tough. I guess this kinda works, but it's a ton of dominos falling neatly in order to get there. And more tough decisions would be necessary in the future. Filling the roster without draft picks is tough too.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Newhook, Alex3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Jost, Tyson21 350 000 $
Makar, Cale36 750 000 $
Timmins, Conor21 150 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Grubauer, Philipp45 000 000 $
Landeskog, Gabriel76 750 000 $
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard11 000 000 $
Chara, Zdeno1800 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. Byram, Bowen
  3. Kaut, Martin
  4. 2021 1e round pick (COL)
  5. 2022 1e round pick (COL)
COL
    Seattle
    BUF
    1. Graves, Ryan
    COL
      Anywhere to get rid of salary
      BUF
      1. Donskoi, Joonas
      ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
      2021
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      2022
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      2023
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2281 500 000 $81 448 333 $0 $1 050 000 $51 667 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      COL
      Landeskog, Gabriel
      6 750 000 $
      AG, C
      UFA
      COL
      MacKinnon, Nathan
      6 300 000 $
      C, AD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      COL
      Rantanen, Mikko
      9 250 000 $
      AD
      UFA - 4
      COL
      Newhook, Alex
      925 000 $
      C
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Eichel, Jack
      10 000 000 $
      C
      UFA - 5
      COL
      Burakovsky, André
      4 900 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1
      COL
      Nichushkin, Valeri
      2 500 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1
      COL
      Kadri, Nazem
      4 500 000 $
      C
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      COL
      Jost, Tyson
      1 350 000 $
      C, AG, AD
      RFA
      COL
      Bowers, Shane
      925 000 $
      C
      RFA - 1
      COL
      Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
      1 000 000 $
      C, AG
      UFA
      COL
      O'Connor, Logan
      725 000 $
      AD
      RFA - 1
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      COL
      Toews, Devon
      4 100 000 $
      DG
      UFA - 3
      COL
      Makar, Cale
      6 750 000 $
      DD
      RFA
      COL
      Grubauer, Philipp
      5 000 000 $
      G
      UFA
      COL
      Girard, Samuel
      5 000 000 $
      DG
      UFA - 6
      COL
      Johnson, Erik
      6 000 000 $
      DD
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 2
      COL
      Francouz, Pavel
      2 000 000 $
      G
      UFA - 1
      Chara, Zdeno
      800 000 $
      DG
      UFA
      COL
      Timmins, Conor
      1 150 000 $
      DD
      RFA
      Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
      COL
      Henry, Nicholas
      798 333 $
      AD
      RFA - 1
      COL
      MacDonald, Jacob
      725 000 $
      DG
      UFA - 1

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      5 mar à 11 h 27
      #1
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      If Eichel goes to COL (which he won't), Newhook would have to be going back to BUF. He would be redundant in COL at that point and would be much more valuable to BUF who just lost their top center. Cozens - Newhook would be their future
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      5 mar à 11 h 27
      #2
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      I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.
      5 mar à 11 h 28
      #3
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      that was my point about adding eichel, you have to move out as much money as you take in with him. and with how grubauer is playing, I think he could maybe even get 6m, closer to what Markstrom got in UFA.

      I think that landeskog contract is about 1m too low and bridging Makar is a bad idea, its going to hurt the team really bad down the line, you try to get the long term deal done now.
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      5 mar à 11 h 29
      #4
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      Landeskog will get way more than Kreider/Gallagher
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      5 mar à 11 h 32
      #5
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      Quoting: villenash
      If Eichel goes to COL (which he won't), Newhook would have to be going back to BUF. He would be redundant in COL at that point and would be much more valuable to BUF who just lost their top center. Cozens - Newhook would be their future


      Quoting: MJCrv
      I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.


      Quoting: coga16
      that was my point about adding eichel, you have to move out as much money as you take in with him. and with how grubauer is playing, I think he could maybe even get 6m, closer to what Markstrom got in UFA.

      I think that landeskog contract is about 1m too low and bridging Makar is a bad idea, its going to hurt the team really bad down the line, you try to get the long term deal done now.


      Quoting: GMs
      Landeskog will get way more than Kreider/Gallagher


      See description. I'm not in disagreement with the points being made.
      5 mar à 11 h 37
      #6
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      Quoting: Anus_McLeod
      See description. I'm not in disagreement with the points being made.


      I think its just too convenient for 2 of the biggest UFAs to both take money off their deals. Just the Makar thing....making him take a bridge is going to hurt down the line, to the point you major contracts to deal with in Mack 2 years down the line, then Makar again, then Rantanen....at that point the team will be pretty much dismantled to keep those guys

      Try to get the makar deal done now so you dont have to rip apart the team every offseason bc you have 10m in eichel that you reallydont need bc if you believe in newhook, whats the point.
      If you dont believe in newhook then thats a different story
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      5 mar à 11 h 38
      #7
      Dr.
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      Be nice if we added eichel then the cap went up by like 4 mil
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      5 mar à 11 h 38
      #8
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      Quoting: MJCrv
      I think that’s a pretty good offer for Eichel. I like Kaut more than newhook, but I wonder if the Sabres would want the center instead.

      I think you’re probably the only person on the planet who likes Kaut over Newhook. Sabres would definitely want him, Byram is obviously elite but they have Dahlin, and a high end 1-2 punch at C of Cozens+Newhook would be better long term than a high end 1-2 punch at LD
      5 mar à 11 h 39
      #9
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      The problem of position and value. We cannot trade Eichel for Newhook and the late firsts as a base, but we also need to return a center like Newhook.
      5 mar à 11 h 41
      #10
      SabresSuck9
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      How bout

      Eichel
      Dahlin

      Byram
      Newhook
      Kaut
      Kadri
      Erik Johnson (cap)
      1st
      Insert random pick
      5 mar à 11 h 46
      #11
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      You would have to swap kaut with Newhook
      5 mar à 11 h 46
      #12
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      Quoting: SabresSuck9
      How bout

      Eichel
      Dahlin

      Byram
      Newhook
      Kaut
      Kadri
      Erik Johnson (cap)
      1st
      Insert random pick


      LOL what. Trading dahlin is brutal
      5 mar à 11 h 47
      #13
      SabresSuck9
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      Quoting: Sabres_Insider
      LOL what. Trading dahlin is brutal


      And trading Eichel isn’t?
      5 mar à 11 h 49
      #14
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      I think a fair trade would be

      Eichel

      for

      Bryam
      1st
      Newhook
      Compher
      Graves
      Kadri
      5 mar à 11 h 51
      #15
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      Quoting: SabresSuck9
      And trading Eichel isn’t?


      Im not making the rumors, I go by what I hear.

      I dont like trading Eichel, but if hes frusterated and wants out we have to trade him


      Dahlin is regressing under Kruger. Ralph doesnt let him get active in the play. Housely let dalhin do his own thing and that is where he shined
      5 mar à 11 h 53
      #16
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      Quoting: coga16
      I think its just too convenient for 2 of the biggest UFAs to both take money off their deals. Just the Makar thing....making him take a bridge is going to hurt down the line, to the point you major contracts to deal with in Mack 2 years down the line, then Makar again, then Rantanen....at that point the team will be pretty much dismantled to keep those guys

      Try to get the makar deal done now so you dont have to rip apart the team every offseason bc you have 10m in eichel that you reallydont need bc if you believe in newhook, whats the point.
      If you dont believe in newhook then thats a different story


      Makar doing a long-term deal for $8.5-9M this off-season would be huge for the Avs but it's going to be up to him and his agent. I do wonder if all these little injuries he's had might push him to take the long-term deal sooner rather than later. I mean, if he wants to gamble and bet on himself being in the top three in Norris voting and/or winning a Cup within the next few years, his camp could just ask for a bridge, wait for the cap to go up and then ask for $11-12M. I think we're all more than a little interested in seeing what happens with Landy, Makar and Gru's contracts.
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      5 mar à 12 h 01
      #17
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      Quoting: Sabres_Insider
      I think a fair trade would be

      Eichel

      for

      Bryam
      1st
      Newhook
      Compher
      Graves
      Kadri


      and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade
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      5 mar à 12 h 03
      #18
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      Quoting: coga16
      and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade


      dont expect eichel in col without that



      drop kadri
      5 mar à 12 h 05
      #19
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      Quoting: coga16
      I think its just too convenient for 2 of the biggest UFAs to both take money off their deals. Just the Makar thing....making him take a bridge is going to hurt down the line, to the point you major contracts to deal with in Mack 2 years down the line, then Makar again, then Rantanen....at that point the team will be pretty much dismantled to keep those guys

      Try to get the makar deal done now so you dont have to rip apart the team every offseason bc you have 10m in eichel that you reallydont need bc if you believe in newhook, whats the point.
      If you dont believe in newhook then thats a different story


      I believe in Newhook, but few are as good as Eichel.

      That's beside the point though. You should love this post because the whole point of it is that Eichel is a bridge too far. It's basically illustrating what you reply on every Eichel to Colorado post.
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      5 mar à 12 h 06
      #20
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      Quoting: Sabres_Insider
      dont expect eichel in col without that



      drop kadri


      avs are not trying to trade for Eichel, and you are not getting both Newhook and Byram level players,
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      5 mar à 12 h 07
      #21
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      Quoting: Anus_McLeod
      I believe in Newhook, but few are as good as Eichel.

      That's beside the point though. You should love this post because the whole point of it is that Eichel is a bridge too far. It's basically illustrating what you reply on every Eichel to Colorado post.


      oh I Know, I get what you are saying, just commenting on it I guess for the sake of commenting bc its friday and I am avoiding work haha
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      6 mar à 1 h 11
      #22
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      Quoting: coga16
      and then you woke up from your fantasy land over valuing trade


      Glad you got there first!
       
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