Sorry Toews does not have that kind of value - that’s

- starting goalie/ good backup
- middle 6 guy
- bottom 6 guy
- elite spec/ top 6 potential guy
- could be a really good pick (top 5 potential)

when is Dach coming back??

Near or during the playoffs

We're not trading Toews. Let's pretend he can't be a #1C OR somehow even a #2C. He'd be that leagues single best #3C. Dominant at the dot and has always played defense. He can still go up against the other teams best players and shut them down. If he's coming back...I would want to extend him to be 100% honest here.

Agreed. If I'm the Rangers, I don't make that trade. The main piece in it is the lotto pick.

I 100% disagree on Georgiev though, who's numbers are exactly league average. Not saying that he won't someday bloom into something more, just saying that he definitely isn't what Rangers fans try to make him out to be. I'm also not super high on Kravtsov, who had an extremely hot run for 8-9 games at the start of the season in the KHL, but has done just about nothing ever since. Obviously he's 21, and the hot run definitely shows that he's got upside, but if I'm the Rags, I have zero issue trading either of these two guys. The lotto pick on the other hand, I wouldn't move unless it's for Eichel.

Well that’s what I mean - it’s all those pieces together add up to too much. Take out the first and yeah it’s more then fine.

I think Georgiev will just be good (as to why I said good starter/ backup like a 1A/1B situation works for him).

And but we still have to value Vitali more than a regular prospect right - so that why I said “elite” which is bold, but yeah I shouldn’t say elite like a Byram or elite like Kaprisov

Hahaha, sorry, I was agreeing with you, but trailed off on an anti-Georgiev trail...

Toews is a top 10 or top 15 defensive foward in the league, if he is the same player he could still put up 60-70 points, he's great at the dot, and will serve as a leader for Kakko, Laf, Chytil, Miller, and the other young players for NYR and potentially as their next captain. NYR is only 6 points from a playoff spot and that pick could be 10-15 in a draft that's not that deep, but if it is top 10, the Ranger's have the right to send their 2022 1st, where I'd expect them to be a playoff team especially with Toews. Kravstov and Georgiev isn't that special, Kratsov is better than most prospect but isn't going to be a top 50 player in the league. Georgiev stat's are league average and for Chicago he'll serve as their backup goalie or Chicago would do something similar what Vegas is doing rn or what Chicago did with Crawford-Lehner. Strome is only in the trade for cap reason and will be a middle six guy.

Toews doesn’t have the value he used to only worth a 1st and that’s assuming Chicago retains 50%

Toews quite literally is not playing hockey, who knows if he ever plays again. That plus 10mil at 32 for 3 years and. He was good but his value is not that high right now. Especially when you’re selling to a rebuilding team who doesnt need to make this trade and lose 5 young assets with a couple of them being very quality

Toews is worth a lot more than a 1st and especially retained that 50%, 5 million for a Top 15 defensive forward in the league and player that could still put up 60-70 points, great at the dot and can play on the top units of the pp and pk is crazy

Correction: Toews *Was* a top 10 or 15 defensive forward. After missing this entire season, who knows what to expect.

In the description I said this trade would happen assuming he is healthy and is the same player. Chicago is also retaining some salary, so at 9 million for 3 or 2 years is not bad considering what Toews can do on the ice. I could see if NY acquires Toews that won't be their only player their adding, Let's say they sign a guy like Martinez during the off-season, NY would have a great team and would be a contender for next season

Why would the Rangers do that? Instead of spending 9m on Toews and trade all those players and futures. They could trade their own players for assets, keep their futures and then spend 9m on UFA.

Expect he’s regressing fast and may not be able to play again not even worth a 1st

I said this trade would happen if Toews is healthy but Toews isn't regressing Toews was good last season and was great during the playoffs, his stats show that he isn't regressing .

Just because he was good last season doesn’t mean he isn’t regressing, he had decent defensive stats where not even close to what they used to be nor where his offensive

How can you assume he is regressing when he hasn't played yet this season, last time he played which was only a few months ago he put up 5 g 4 a in 9 games in the playoffs, and then in 2019 he put up 81 points (career high) and in 2020 he put 60 points in 70 games. This trade would happen when he is healthy and if he is the same player, so there is no evidence he is regressing.

Jonathan Toews is a franchise player. No way he gets traded unless it is a Marian Hossa type thing.

Points don’t show your defensive play, even his offensive play went down he went from a 15 ixG to a 10

Rangers have plenty of cap space to afford Toews. But they are on giving up the games best offensive prospect for him. Take Kravtsov out.