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Possible Hertl Trades

Créé par: jfrojelin
Date de création initiale: mar 4, 2021
Publié: 4 mar à 16 h 17
Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
Let me know your thoughts on these?
Transactions
SJS
  1. Jost, Tyson
  2. Timmins, Conor
  3. 2022 1e round pick (COL)
  4. 2021 5e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
2021 5th becomes 2021 3rd if Colorado reaches the Stanley Cup Final
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas
SJS
  1. Niemelä, Topi [Liste de réserve]
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2022 1e round pick (TOR)
  4. 2021 4e round pick (TOR)
TOR
    Tomas Hertl
    SJS
    1. Ludvig, John
    2. Levi, Devon [Liste de réserve]
    3. 2022 1e round pick (FLA)
    4. 2021 3e round pick (FLA)
    FLA
      SJS
      1. Mysak, Jan [Liste de réserve]
      2. Primeau, Cayden
      3. 2021 4e round pick (STL)
      4. 2022 1e round pick (MTL)
      MTL
        This one may not make sense, but a replacement for all the guys they're about to lose. Would play LW
        SJS
        1. 2022 1e round pick (CBJ)
        2. 2021 3e round pick (CBJ)
        3. 2023 3e round pick (CBJ)
        CBJ
          SJS
          1. O'Rourke, Ryan [Liste de réserve]
          2. 2022 1e round pick (MIN)
          3. 2021 3e round pick (PIT)
          4. 2022 5e round pick (SJS)
          MIN
            Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
            • Nick Foligno: 1 375 000 $ (25%)
            • Mattias Janmark: 562 500 $ (25%)
            ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
            2021
            SJS
            SJS
            FLA
            CBJ
            PIT
            SJS
            TOR
            STL
            SJS
            COL
            SJS
            SJS
            2022
            SJS
            COL
            TOR
            FLA
            MTL
            CBJ
            MIN
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            MIN
            2023
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            CBJ
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            SJS
            TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
            2781 500 000 $79 807 457 $0 $1 017 500 $1 692 543 $
            Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
            SJS
            Kane, Evander
            7 000 000 $
            AG, AD
            NTC
            UFA - 5
            SJS
            Couture, Logan
            8 000 000 $
            C, AG
            NTC
            UFA - 7
            SJS
            Labanc, Kevin
            4 725 000 $
            AD, AG
            UFA - 4
            SJS
            Meier, Timo
            6 000 000 $
            AG, AD
            RFA - 3
            SJS
            True, Alex
            763 333 $
            C, AD
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Blichfeld, Joachim
            736 666 $
            AD, AG
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Donato, Ryan
            1 900 000 $
            AG, C
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Gambrell, Dylan
            700 000 $
            C
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Balcers, Rūdolfs
            735 000 $
            AD, AG
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Sörensen, Marcus
            1 500 000 $
            AG, AD
            UFA - 1
            COL
            Jost, Tyson
            874 125 $
            C, AG, AD
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            Leonard, John
            925 000 $
            AG, AD
            RFA - 2
            SJS
            Marleau, Patrick
            700 000 $
            AG, C
            UFA - 1
            SJS
            Nieto, Matt
            700 000 $
            AG, AD
            UFA - 1
            Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
            SJS
            Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
            7 000 000 $
            DG/DD
            NMC
            UFA - 6
            SJS
            Karlsson, Erik
            11 500 000 $
            DD
            NMC
            UFA - 7
            SJS
            Jones, Martin
            5 750 000 $
            G
            NTC
            UFA - 4
            SJS
            Simek, Radim
            2 250 000 $
            DG
            UFA - 4
            SJS
            Burns, Brent
            8 000 000 $
            DD
            NTC
            UFA - 5
            SJS
            Dubnyk, Devan
            2 166 667 $
            G
            NTC
            UFA - 1
            SJS
            Ferraro, Mario
            925 000 $
            DG
            RFA - 2
            MTL
            Primeau, Cayden
            880 833 $
            G
            RFA - 2
            SJS
            Knyzhov, Nikolai
            796 667 $
            DG/DD
            RFA - 2
            SJS
            Claesson, Fredrik
            700 000 $
            DG
            UFA - 1
            COL
            Timmins, Conor
            925 000 $
            DD
            RFA - 1
            TOR
            Liljegren, Timothy
            863 333 $
            DD
            RFA - 2
            FLA
            Ludvig, John
            853 333 $
            DG
            RFA - 3
            Équipe de réserve
            SJS
            Kellman, Joel
            750 000 $ (0 $)
            C
            UFA - 2
            SJS
            Korenar, Josef
            723 333 $ (0 $)
            G
            RFA - 1
            SJS
            DeSimone, Nick
            700 000 $ (0 $)
            DD
            UFA - 1
            SJS
            Gabriel, Kurtis
            700 000 $ (0 $)
            AD
            UFA - 1

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            4 mar à 16 h 23
            #1
            Dr.
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            I'd like to have hertl on colorado but there would have to be money going back. I think compher would have to go the other way and maybe pateryn to even it out
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            4 mar à 16 h 24
            #2
            Hockey Fan13
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            I think your value is about right for the Wild, but the trade doesn't work without the Wild sending back salary.
            It seems O'Rourke isn't a well kept secret, he gets included in a lot of trades when people add Wild prospects. I'm pretty excited for the kid to be NHL ready I like his style of play.
            4 mar à 16 h 25
            #3
            Work smart, not hard
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            Imo SJ could do better than all of these honestly.
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            4 mar à 16 h 25
            #4
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            Quoting: OutCold13
            I think your value is about right for the Wild, but the trade doesn't work without the Wild sending back salary.
            It seems O'Rourke isn't a well kept secret, he gets included in a lot of trades when people add Wild prospects. I'm pretty excited for the kid to be NHL ready I like his style of play.


            I rated him quite highly going into the draft, which is why I wanted him. Yeah retaining salary is possible
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            4 mar à 16 h 26
            #5
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            Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
            I'd like to have hertl on colorado but there would have to be money going back. I think compher would have to go the other way and maybe pateryn to even it out


            Sharks could retain half I'm pretty sure
            4 mar à 16 h 28
            #6
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            Quoting: justaBoss
            Imo SJ could do better than all of these honestly.


            This was mainly inspired by a tweet pointing out the usage and scoring of Hertl and Hall was quite similar, so I tried basing offers on that somwhat. But the Sharks are further from contending than the devils, so it's much more future based, also my prospect knowledge is a little limited
            4 mar à 16 h 32
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            What would a pens one look like? Can you add one?
            4 mar à 16 h 35
            #8
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            Quoting: Sid_the_kid_875948
            What would a pens one look like? Can you add one?


            I was really considering them but I don't know their prospects too great was why I didn't add him. I would probably if I'm the Sharks have a deal similar to the Columbus one. Both teams are a little outside bonsaied contenders, but could be with Hertl. So the deal would be fully futures, and the gamble is fully on the team
            4 mar à 16 h 36
            #9
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            cant see the leafs doing that. cant find a way for them to shed that much cap to make room for him
            4 mar à 16 h 41
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            Quoting: Keaton1117
            cant see the leafs doing that. cant find a way for them to shed that much cap to make room for him


            I think the Sharks would retain near half (sorry i didnt include this). I think it would mean either Hyman leaves in FA, or Kerfoot is traded in some way or taken by Seattle eventually. Does the value work well for them? I love Niemela but idk Leafs fans thoughts on him
            4 mar à 16 h 45
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            Quoting: jfrojelin
            I think the Sharks would retain near half (sorry i didnt include this). I think it would mean either Hyman leaves in FA, or Kerfoot is traded in some way or taken by Seattle eventually. Does the value work well for them? I love Niemela but idk Leafs fans thoughts on him


            i dont know about the value to be honest i still really like Liljegren i think he could be a top 4 guy. and i am high on Topi Niemela.
            4 mar à 16 h 47
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            Quoting: jfrojelin
            I was really considering them but I don't know their prospects too great was why I didn't add him. I would probably if I'm the Sharks have a deal similar to the Columbus one. Both teams are a little outside bonsaied contenders, but could be with Hertl. So the deal would be fully futures, and the gamble is fully on the team


            Lagere + Zucker + 2nd?
            4 mar à 16 h 50
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            Quoting: Sid_the_kid_875948
            Lagere + Zucker + 2nd?


            If the Sharks are trading Hertl, they're full on rebuilding and not re-tooling, so it would likely be solely futures. Sharks would want a first, and a combo of a young RD or center, LW, RD, or Goalie prospects, or mid round picks
            4 mar à 16 h 51
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            Quoting: jfrojelin
            If the Sharks are trading Hertl, they're full on rebuilding and not re-tooling, so it would likely be solely futures. Sharks would want a first, and a combo of a young RD or center, LW, RD, or Goalie prospects, or mid round picks


            Lagere, bjorkqvist, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
            4 mar à 17 h 21
            #15
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            All of these get a no.
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            4 mar à 17 h 21
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            Quoting: Sid_the_kid_875948
            Lagere, bjorkqvist, 2nd, 3rd, 4th


            Hertl requires a top prospect or a high first. Pens have neither so they are out
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            4 mar à 17 h 27
            #17
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            2021 first and I think florida accepts
            4 mar à 19 h 40
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            Quoting: VijayPatel11
            2021 first and I think florida accepts


            Yeah I'm surprised more people didn't really care about that. 2022 is gonna be sick
            5 mar à 14 h 42
            #19
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            Quoting: VijayPatel11
            2021 first and I think florida accepts


            If Doug Wilson moves Hertl for a 2021 first round pick I will walk to San Jose and beat him silly with my flip-flop. This year's draft is going to be such a crapshoot and those picks absolutely shouldn't have the value that the 2022 picks do.
             
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