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how round 1 should have went

5 mar à 17 h 34
#51
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Don’t watch hockey then. It’s all on the websites right? All on the stat sheet after all. What’s on the ice doesn’t matter. Better yet, buy an xbox, run a bunch of sims. You’ll get to experience like 25 seasons a year. How easy is that!

Pathetic. This isn’t baseball. Later nerd.


Lol I can tell your a flat earther justly the way you get offended by math, if you actually played hockey you would know that the flashy kid who scored a bunch but always plays garbage D is the most useless kid on the team all they do is inflate the games score they don’t add anything
5 mar à 17 h 56
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Quoting: Bigboi69
I can tell your a casual fan so I won’t be too hard on you but if you are giving up as many or more goals than you score you are not making an impact so you are not the most valuable player in your team, much less the league, and the hart trophy isn’t even given to the mvp anymore the league has just made it an extension of the art Ross, and they aren’t “little stats” they are complex math equations


If Point had even point per game production then it would be close. But Point has one season at over a point per game (in 2018-19), the rest he's been below that, including this season. His average is below a point per game, maybe in 3 years this will not be the case, but who knows.

Draisitl, on the other hand, over the last 3 seasons plus this one has had 1.25 points per game. Reminder Point had some 0.97 over the same time. It's not even really close. We are talking 103 point vs 80 points. 20 more points per season is significantly better.
5 mar à 18 h 02
#53
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Quoting: Saskleaf
If Point had even point per game production then it would be close. But Point has one season at over a point per game (in 2018-19), the rest he's been below that, including this season. His average is below a point per game, maybe in 3 years this will not be the case, but who knows.

Draisitl, on the other hand, over the last 3 seasons plus this one has had 1.25 points per game. Reminder Point had some 0.97 over the same time. It's not even really close. We are talking 103 point vs 80 points. 20 more points per season is significantly better.


I can tell you aren’t understating my words here but drai scored 110 points but still had a -13 for plus/minus, it shows that when he goes out there he lets in more goals than he creates, I can use analytics or I can use basic stats I’m still right
5 mar à 18 h 08
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Quoting: Bigboi69
I can tell you aren’t understating my words here but drai scored 110 points but still had a -13 for plus/minus, it shows that when he goes out there he lets in more goals than he creates, I can use analytics or I can use basic stats I’m still right


You must be joking. You're actually going to tell me plus minus is more important than points?
23 mar à 12 h 24
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Quoting: Saskleaf
You must be joking. You're actually going to tell me plus minus is more important than points?


Plus minus is a garbage stat but I know you aren’t going to understand analytics and I assumed dude to the fact that you think points are the only important thing u would understand that
23 mar à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Plus minus is a garbage stat but I know you aren’t going to understand analytics and I assumed dude to the fact that you think points are the only important thing u would understand that


If plus minus is so garbage, why show it?
23 mar à 12 h 27
#57
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Quoting: Saskleaf
If plus minus is so garbage, why show it?


Becuase you wouldn’t understand GAR,WAR,GA/60,xGA/60, it’s the closet thing to the basic mindset you have
23 mar à 12 h 37
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Becuase you wouldn’t understand GAR,WAR,GA/60,xGA/60, it’s the closet thing to the basic mindset you have


No I don't understand them. I like the old eye test better, it's a lot more simple. Sometimes you just have to watch a game seeing Drais dominate another team to understand.
1 avr à 9 h 15
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Quoting: Saskleaf
No I don't understand them. I like the old eye test better, it's a lot more simple. Sometimes you just have to watch a game seeing Drais dominate another team to understand.


If your going to say that eye test is more accurate then math then this conversation is useless
1 avr à 10 h 03
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Quoting: Bigboi69
If your going to say that eye test is more accurate then math then this conversation is useless


It's more the fact that you think defense is more important than offense for a forward.
9 avr à 11 h 42
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Quoting: Saskleaf
It's more the fact that you think defense is more important than offense for a forward.


When did I say that? Point has 98% of the offensive impact that drai does while actually being good defensively, offense means nothing if your so bad defensively that you always get scored on, say you have player A who always goes out and scores a goal for his team then that same shift is the reason the opposing teams score a goal or two, now you have player B who goes out and scores for his team every other shift but rarely lets the other team score on him, who would you rather have
9 avr à 12 h 22
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Quoting: Bigboi69
When did I say that? Point has 98% of the offensive impact that drai does while actually being good defensively, offense means nothing if your so bad defensively that you always get scored on, say you have player A who always goes out and scores a goal for his team then that same shift is the reason the opposing teams score a goal or two, now you have player B who goes out and scores for his team every other shift but rarely lets the other team score on him, who would you rather have


Point has 98% of the offensive impact of Drais?!?!?! Are you ok?
9 avr à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Point has 98% of the offensive impact of Drais?!?!?! Are you ok?


Math doesn’t lie
9 avr à 12 h 44
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Math doesn’t lie


Ya, you are right.
Over the past 4 years including this one,
Point-0.95 P/PG
Draisitl- 1.27 Points per game

So which math are you refering to may I ask?
9 avr à 12 h 46
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Ya, you are right.
Over the past 4 years including this one,
Point-0.95 P/PG
Draisitl- 1.27 Points per game

So which math are you refering to may I ask?


GAR,WAR,xGAR,xWAR, GA/60,XGA/60,GF/60,xGF/60,CF/60 I could go on
9 avr à 12 h 48
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Quoting: Bigboi69
GAR,WAR,xGAR,xWAR, GA/60,XGA/60,GF/60,xGF/60,CF/60 I could go on


And why is this more relevant than points and points per game, both of which Draisitl absolutely blows Point out of the water?
9 avr à 13 h 27
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Quoting: Saskleaf
And why is this more relevant than points and points per game, both of which Draisitl absolutely blows Point out of the water?


Maybe because points are a stat that takes nothing into account other than did the puck go in, it doesn’t take into account the quality of the shot, the quality of the completion, the quality of the linemates, how big of a part in the goal a player was, how hard they had to work to get the goal, if they are consistently having an impact on the game even if they aren’t scoring. Their is so much more to hockey then just points and maybe one day you will realize that
9 avr à 13 h 35
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Maybe because points are a stat that takes nothing into account other than did the puck go in, it doesn’t take into account the quality of the shot, the quality of the completion, the quality of the linemates, how big of a part in the goal a player was, how hard they had to work to get the goal, if they are consistently having an impact on the game even if they aren’t scoring. Their is so much more to hockey then just points and maybe one day you will realize that


Last I checked, there no WAR or G/60 trophy, etc, but there is a points trophy, the Art Ross.....

No excuses for Point. He plays on a great team and often exceptional line mates. I'm not denying he's an excellant player, but saying he's 98% of the Offensive player as the reigning Art Ross (AND Hart) trophy winner is completely ridiculous.
9 avr à 13 h 39
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Last I checked, there no WAR or G/60 trophy, etc, but there is a points trophy, the Art Ross.....

No excuses for Point. He plays on a great team and often exceptional line mates. I'm not denying he's an excellant player, but saying he's 98% of the Offensive player as the reigning Art Ross (AND Hart) trophy winner is completely ridiculous.


When my claims is backed by factual mathematical evidence it is a completely justified statement
9 avr à 13 h 44
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Quoting: Bigboi69
When my claims is backed by factual mathematical evidence it is a completely justified statement


Forget it, if you actually think all those complicated stats are better than the ones that actually matter, than there is no point (hahaha, pun was not intended) to this.
9 avr à 13 h 48
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Forget it, if you actually think all those complicated stats are better than the ones that actually matter, than there is no point (hahaha, pun was not intended) to this.


I’m mean those stats do actually matter just ask JBBand Steve yzerman who built a cup winning team based off of analytics, and then theirs the GMs who sign players based off points like Jim benning and look at his bottom 6
9 avr à 13 h 57
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Quoting: Bigboi69
I’m mean those stats do actually matter just ask JBBand Steve yzerman who built a cup winning team based off of analytics, and then theirs the GMs who sign players based off points like Jim benning and look at his bottom 6


Maybe I'm going crazy but last I checked you win games by having the most goals and not having the best WAR or CF/60.
9 avr à 14 h 06
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Maybe I'm going crazy but last I checked you win games by having the most goals and not having the best WAR or CF/60.

You know what WAR means? Do you know what GAR means? Because if you did we wouldn’t be having this conversation
9 avr à 14 h 15
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Quoting: Bigboi69
You know what WAR means? Do you know what GAR means? Because if you did we wouldn’t be having this conversation


Wins above replacement
Goals above replacement

I'm no expert, but I know that these are estimation stats, they are not always completely accurate.
9 avr à 14 h 19
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Wins above replacement
Goals above replacement

I'm no expert, but I know that these are estimation stats, they are not always completely accurate.



GAR is how many more goals a player scores over a replacement level player, a replacement level player is anyone who has an average amount of impact on the game and is very interchangeable, GAR helps to determine who’s goals are at a higher impact then replacement level

WAR is the same but with their affects on wins
 
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