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Protect 7-3-1

Parise
Zuccarello
Fiala
Ek
Hartman
Greenway
Foligno
(Remember that KK is exempt from the expansion draft)

Suter
Spurgeon
Brodin

Kahkonen

This leaves:
Sturm, Rask, Dumba, Soucy, Cole, Hunt, Talbot and Stalock exposed. If I were the Kraken, I'd take Dumba.

There are NO top FA centers this off season. The best is RNH and that's really bad.
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 19
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    Nugent Hopkins is NOT bad!!! He's very underrated!!
    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 22
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    Dumba either gets traded or gets protected (8-1 instead of 7-3-1)
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 25
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Dumba either gets traded or gets protected (8-1 instead of 7-3-1)


    Dumba won't get protected. We have too many NMC, NTC. If we did 8-1 it would be

    Parise NTC
    Zuccarello NMC
    Fiala
    Ek
    Suter NTC
    Spurgeon
    Brodin
    Dumba

    That leaves Greenway, Foligno, and Hartman all on the table. They're too young / too important to let walk. Especially if Hartman is a Center now.
    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 27
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Dumba either gets traded or gets protected (8-1 instead of 7-3-1)


    Agreed, I'd go 8-1 instead of 7-3-1. Heck of a lot easier to replace whichever one of the fwds get selected, or to get a reasonable package for Dumba.
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 28
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    Quoting: Jeuck75
    Nugent Hopkins is NOT bad!!! He's very underrated!!


    I would like to like RNH! Please convince me. He's 27. He's getting 6M this year, so he'd probably want 7.5-8M in his next contact. He's a 24+ goal scorer, which is good, but does he warrant an 8M deal when he'll be 28 next year? Is he really that next level kind of guy?
    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 32
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    Quoting: Wildwinswhen
    Dumba won't get protected. We have too many NMC, NTC. If we did 8-1 it would be

    Parise NTC
    Zuccarello NMC
    Fiala
    Ek
    Suter NTC
    Spurgeon
    Brodin
    Dumba

    That leaves Greenway, Foligno, and Hartman all on the table. They're too young / too important to let walk. Especially if Hartman is a Center now.


    I think one of them would waive their NMC/NTC clause. But if not, trade him at the deadline
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 33
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Agreed, I'd go 8-1 instead of 7-3-1. Heck of a lot easier to replace whichever one of the fwds get selected, or to get a reasonable package for Dumba.


    I agree. Top 4 defensemen are hard to come by. I could see a team like the Jets interested in Dumba if Minnesota knows they won't protect him
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 36
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    Quoting: Wildwinswhen
    I would like to like RNH! Please convince me. He's 27. He's getting 6M this year, so he'd probably want 7.5-8M in his next contact. He's a 24+ goal scorer, which is good, but does he warrant an 8M deal when he'll be 28 next year? Is he really that next level kind of guy?


    He's been a consistent 40-60 point player throughout his career. Right now he has 19 points in 22 games
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 39
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    If you guys make no trades, its either Dumba gets protected and you lose one of Fiala/Eriksson Ek/Greenway, or you lose Dumba and protect all your forwards.
    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 56
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    I think one of them would waive their NMC/NTC clause. But if not, trade him at the deadline


    I’ve got a feeling Zuccarello will waive based on signing Foligno as early as they did. while unlikely Parise waives it’s very unlikely they pick him if he does. 4-4-1 is the way to go regardless, I can live with losing Greenway.
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    26 févr. 2021 à 11 h 59
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    I think one of them would waive their NMC/NTC clause. But if not, trade him at the deadline


    They won't waive. Zuccarello signed his deal knowing the Kraken were coming. Parise and Suter would cause massive clawbacks in cap space if they retire from another team before their contracts are done.

    I'm hoping we trade Dumba. He's not physically the guy he used to be since his injury. I just don't think we'll have any trade partners.
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    I’ve got a feeling Zuccarello will waive based on signing Foligno as early as they did. while unlikely Parise waives it’s very unlikely they pick him if he does. 4-4-1 is the way to go regardless, I can live with losing Greenway.


    Wild could convince Zuc or anyone with a big contract to waive since Seattle wouldn't pick them. But if no one waives, I agree, Dumba is more valuable than Greenway to protect
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    They won't waive. Zuccarello signed his deal knowing the Kraken were coming. Parise and Suter would cause massive clawbacks in cap space if they retire from another team before their contracts are done.

    I'm hoping we trade Dumba. He's not physically the guy he used to be since his injury. I just don't think we'll have any trade partners.


    Jets could be interested in Dumba since they are weak at defense
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    26 févr. 2021 à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Wild could convince Zuc or anyone with a big contract to waive since Seattle wouldn't pick them. But if no one waives, I agree, Dumba is more valuable than Greenway to protect


    The expansion picture isn’t as bleak as we make it out to be. Hold Dumba and continue having the strong D corps they’ve had success with and then his value increases a bit because teams don’t have the leverage expansion puts on them. I do think he will be traded but sometime after expansion.

    As for the Jets, they are a no brainer place to send him but IDK what they could offer that we want. It’s their 1st plus what? I’m not sold they have that plus unless it’s part of a bigger package. Dumba has come back more well rounded and I’m more than happy to have his shot on the PP for next couple years.
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    26 févr. 2021 à 13 h 35
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    Nugent Hopkins is NOT bad!!! He's very underrated!!


    Nugent-Hopkins is a very good player. But he's more of a RW-LW. The Wild are LOOKING for a C that can drive play in the offensive zone and be better than 50% on faceoffs. If they make a trade or a FA signing, that's the kind of C they would be after. A TRUE C, and Nugent-Hopkins doesn't fit that bill.
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    26 févr. 2021 à 13 h 54
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    AS far as the expansion draft goes. You keep Dumba, go 4-4-1 and you put Foligno, Greenway, Hartman, Soucy, and Talbot as viable candidates for the Kraken to take. If you trade Dumba, you can go 7-3-1 and only expose Soucy and Talbot. So, they will either protect Dumba, or trade him for whatever they get. There is no way they leave Dumba unprotected. By trading him, you really only expose Soucy and Talbot to the Kraken.
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    28 févr. 2021 à 15 h 53
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    Since we're talking about next year, let's briefly visit another topic. My feeling is that both of your first-round draft picks this year will be in the 17-20 range. In that case, may I suggest for your attention G Jesper Wallstedt?
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    Quoting: Wildwinswhen
    Dumba won't get protected. We have too many NMC, NTC. If we did 8-1 it would be

    Parise NTC
    Zuccarello NMC
    Fiala
    Ek
    Suter NTC
    Spurgeon
    Brodin
    Dumba

    That leaves Greenway, Foligno, and Hartman all on the table. They're too young / too important to let walk. Especially if Hartman is a Center now.


    Foligno is 29 and just signed a rather high 3 yr contract. Hartman is 26 and headed into his last RFA contract. Both of them are bottom-6ers, it'll hurt but not be the end of the world if they are lost to SEA.

    Greenway would hurt to lose with the season he's having, but with Boldy coming along it shouldn't be a reason to panic if he was lost. I really dislike the Kunin and Donato trades that were made over the summer. MN would only have lost one of them, not all possible all 3.
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Since we're talking about next year, let's briefly visit another topic. My feeling is that both of your first-round draft picks this year will be in the 17-20 range. In that case, may I suggest for your attention G Jesper Wallstedt?


    I expect that we'll take centers and wingers at that slot. Kahkonen is looking like the goalie of the future and we've got other goalies in the system that I think they're already high on. Our defensive prospects are very good as well.
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    Quoting: Wildwinswhen
    I expect that we'll take centers and wingers at that slot. Kahkonen is looking like the goalie of the future and we've got other goalies in the system that I think they're already high on. Our defensive prospects are very good as well.


    I'm just going to repost this from an another tread, but it basically covers my thoughts on this. Apologies in advance on the upcoming novel.... wink

    Quoting: RazWild
    Unless we have a legitimate shot at either Beniers or Johnson we shouldn't be concerned or consider centers in this draft anyway.

    I disagree, I wouldn't say the need for a defenseman is immediate, but we absolutely should be looking to draft a top pairing potential LHD to replace Suter in this years draft, in the most defense heavy draft in the past decade and where all but two are LHD and all project to be a top 2 or top 4 defenseman.

    Picking up both O'Rourke and Hunt during last years draft went a long way to shoring up the defensive prospect pool on the left but we still need a top pairing guy as we still have a need and hole for one there. O'Rourke is a great prospect but doesn't project to be anything better than a 2nd pairing defenseman, which is fine because he'll be the perfect partner for Addison. Hunt projects out to be a 3rd pairing player.

    Suter is 35 and can't stay up there for too much longer, Eichel or no Eichel. Sure, Brodin could slide up there and take over for awhile but we still would need a prospect in the system within at least the next two drafts to cover for Suter's downturn. I'm just not sold he makes it until the end of his contract.

    The 2022 draft is shaping up to be as good as or better than the 2015 draft. It's center deep, and also has some very good defensive prospects as well... all of whom who are righty's. There's also just about zero goalies that are worthwhile in it.

    In my opinion we'd be blowing our God's gift to drafting a Suter replacement for the here and now. That isn't to say Eichel isn't a worthwhile trade-off, but it's not just about contending for a 2-3 year window in my eyes, but making sure we have a team that can contend for a decade plus. It would be smarter to make a play for one of the three franchise centers that will come out of the 2022 draft instead, all of which have a floor of say a Barkov. That would give us much better depth down the middle and make for a stronger contender in two to three years time than going after Eichel. One of Wright/Lambert/Savoie, Rossi, Eriksson-Ek, Sturm is a much better team and would allow us to maximize our current prospect pool.

    To that end, I would also think we should seriously consider drafting Wallstedt as well. I recognize fully that we have Kahkonen, as well as Jones and Lindberg in the system as well. But none of them project to be a franchise goalie. Besides, by the time Wallstedt would be ready to come into the NHL, Talbot's contract will be done and Kahkonen will likely be just hitting his 30's. This would give us a solid goaltending tandem for a decade plus as well. All the more crucial for a cup contending team.

    Just my two cents.


    Furthermore, It's a known fact that Guerin very nearly traded Boldy to the Cats for 12th overall for a chance at Askarov, but it fell through when the Preds drafted him at 11.

    Just because Kahkonen is doing really well, that doesn't mean Guerin wouldn't consider going after Wallstedt and get a franchise goalie in the system in order to strengthen the prospect pool.
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    OP, you lost me when you suggested we expose Dumba to protect Greenway, Foligno and Hartman.



    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Since we're talking about next year, let's briefly visit another topic. My feeling is that both of your first-round draft picks this year will be in the 17-20 range. In that case, may I suggest for your attention G Jesper Wallstedt?


    No thanks. Kahkonen looks good, Hunter Jones has some decent potential, and you should never take goalies first round or give them big contracts.
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    Furthermore, It's a known fact that Guerin very nearly traded Boldy to the Cats for 12th overall for a chance at Askarov, but it fell through when the Preds drafted him at 11.



    Can you link your source here? I remember there being fan speculation. I also remember there being speculation about Guerin going after Lundell with that, not Askarov.
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    Can you link your source here? I remember there being fan speculation. I also remember there being speculation about Guerin going after Lundell with that, not Askarov.


    I don't, sorry. IIRC, it may have come from Russo, but I'm not positive about that. Give me some time, and I'll see if I can't hunt it down though.

    I heard it was strictly in regards to Askarov. I never heard any speculation that it was Lundell they were after. Believe me, given the fact I never thought Rossi would drop to us at 9, my eyes were firmly set on picking Lundell there. After we got Rossi, I remember hoping Guerin would trade back into the first and snag Lundell too.

    I don't think Guerin would have considered Boldy if it was for Lundell though, I think he'd have offered up a different package if he was going to do it though.

    For a potential franchise goalie, I think Boldy does get moved. That's just my opinion though.
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Can you link your source here? I remember there being fan speculation. I also remember there being speculation about Guerin going after Lundell with that, not Askarov.


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    I don't, sorry. IIRC, it may have come from Russo, but I'm not positive about that. Give me some time, and I'll see if I can't hunt it down though.

    I heard it was strictly in regards to Askarov. I never heard any speculation that it was Lundell they were after. Believe me, given the fact I never thought Rossi would drop to us at 9, my eyes were firmly set on picking Lundell there. After we got Rossi, I remember hoping Guerin would trade back into the first and snag Lundell too.

    I don't think Guerin would have considered Boldy if it was for Lundell though, I think he'd have offered up a different package if he was going to do it though.

    For a potential franchise goalie, I think Boldy does get moved. That's just my opinion though.


    Sorry @Caerii , I'm coming up empty on the search. So far I've come up empty on Google, The Athletic, and my SB Nation HockeyWilderness site.

    I'll try broadening my search to podcasts and YouTube, see if I can't hit on anything. 🤷‍♂️
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    Quoting: Caerii
    OP, you lost me when you suggested we expose Dumba to protect Greenway, Foligno and Hartman


    IMO our best outcome is that we trade Dumba. But, if that's not possible I'd still protect those three, especially if Hartman is a Center. Dumba isn't the player he was two years ago and I don't think he's worth the 6M/yr we're paying.
     
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