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imo trade danualt and tatar

Créé par: habsrule10101
Date de création initiale: fév 25, 2021
Publié: 25 fév à 11 h 32
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
if montreal is struggling before deadline..... Trade within canadian division so players dont have to quaratine..... Tatar and Danualt shoould be worth 1st round picks for playoff teams (danualt more defense, maybe 2nd round pick, unless he turns it around)
Transactions
MTL
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. 2021 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Danault, Phillip
MTL
  1. Bennett, Sam
  2. 2021 1e round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Tatar, Tomas
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 3 958 333 $
Enfoui
  • Jordan Weal: 325 000 $ (1 400 000 $)
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PHI
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2022
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2023
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $77 857 976 $0 $3 137 500 $3 642 024 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 7
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Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
CGY
Bennett, Sam
2 550 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 1
EDM
Turris, Kyle
1 650 000 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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Perry, Corey
750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
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Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Price, Carey
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NMC
UFA - 6
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Romanov, Alexander
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DG/DD
RFA - 2
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Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
735 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
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Fleury, Cale
771 666 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Frolík, Michael
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Belzile, Alex
700 000 $ (0 $)
AD, C
UFA - 1
MTL
McNiven, Michael
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RFA - 1

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25 fév à 11 h 34
#1
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If we continue to suck we aren't trading our 1st. Unless its something big
25 fév à 11 h 35
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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You may correct about Montreal trading Tatar, and Denault by to expect those returns....absolute fantasy.
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25 fév à 11 h 37
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I could see Holland willing to do something like that however it’s questionable if a first rounder is up for grabs considering the season he is having. Debatable certainly enough there to get something worked out.
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25 fév à 11 h 38
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Quoting: palhal
You may correct about Montreal trading Tatar, and Denault by to expect those returns....absolute fantasy.


A 1st round pick from a playoffs team and a 31 yo do-nothing in Kyle Turris for sure isn't fantasy.
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25 fév à 11 h 40
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Quoting: SevenLeg
A 1st round pick from a playoffs team and a 31 yo do-nothing in Kyle Turris for sure isn't fantasy.


Do you really think the Oilers and Flames are trading likely picks in the teens for those guys? Turris and Bennett aren't much but certainly those picks are worth
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25 fév à 11 h 41
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I think Danault has more value to a team making a run than Tartar just my opinion
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25 fév à 11 h 46
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It is funny how things change. A month ago I would have said you are crazy but after seeing all 6 Laval games and Caufield. By next season or right after, both Caufield and Ylonen are in Habs line up and they are top 9 players. Plus Habs have tons of picks from last two drafts and this upcoming draft, I would even trade Danault and Tatar for picks and prospects for 2023.
25 fév à 11 h 50
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Rentals like Tatar and Danault dont return 1st round picks. Got to have term remaining.
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25 fév à 11 h 53
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Quoting: palhal
Do you really think the Oilers and Flames are trading likely picks in the teens for those guys? Turris and Bennett aren't much but certainly those picks are worth


The Flames I doubt it, that's why I didn't include them in my first comment, but the Oilers I do think so. They have a big hole at 3C that Danault fills more than perfectly, and they have the cap space next year to extend him.
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25 fév à 11 h 55
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Quoting: Byrr
Rentals like Tatar and Danault dont return 1st round picks. Got to have term remaining.


laughs in jean gabriel pageau
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25 fév à 11 h 55
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The Flames I doubt it, that's why I didn't include them in my first comment, but the Oilers I do think so. They have a big hole at 3C that Danault fills more than perfectly, and they have the cap space next year to extend him.


if RNH doesn't re-sign ***
25 fév à 11 h 56
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
laughs in jean gabriel pageau


Pageau signed an extension as part of that deal. The Islanders were given permission to talk extension before agreeing to the trade. He's the perfect example for players need to have term remaining to get this kind of return. Term or be a superstar like Hall. Neither Tatar nor Danault match up.
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25 fév à 12 h 00
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Quoting: Byrr
Pageau signed an extension as part of that deal. The Islanders were given permission to talk extension before agreeing to the trade. He's the perfect example for players need to have term remaining to get this kind of return. Term or be a superstar like Hall. Neither Tatar nor Danault match up.


danault can certainly sign an extension. tatar just put up 61 points in 68 games. depending on the market. IF the habs choose to trade him, they can fetch a first. esp if he's traded to a US team where there are no quarantine restrictions for players. canadian teams would likely want picks/prospects back. 14 day quanrantine means almost 5-8 games shorthanded. plus teh draft is a question mark this year. we could have 2 drafts taking place the same year. teams would be more willing to trade 1 of those 2 1st rd picks. i agree with your point about the extension though.
25 fév à 12 h 02
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
danault can certainly sign an extension. tatar just put up 61 points in 68 games. depending on the market. IF the habs choose to trade him, they can fetch a first. esp if he's traded to a US team where there are no quarantine restrictions for players. canadian teams would likely want picks/prospects back. 14 day quanrantine means almost 5-8 games shorthanded. plus teh draft is a question mark this year. we could have 2 drafts taking place the same year. teams would be more willing to trade 1 of those 2 1st rd picks. i agree with your point about the extension though.


Two drafts in the same year doesn't make teams more likely to move first round picks. The facts are these guys are rentals and arn't superstars. They won't get 1st rounders.
25 fév à 12 h 03
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Quoting: Byrr
Pageau signed an extension as part of that deal. The Islanders were given permission to talk extension before agreeing to the trade. He's the perfect example for players need to have term remaining to get this kind of return. Term or be a superstar like Hall. Neither Tatar nor Danault match up.


Did you just say hall, sorry you’ve lost tour argument. Taylor hall has zero goals and 6 assists 5v5 and doesn’t play defence. Rentals like Tatar and danault don’t tend to get dealt so their isn’t much of a history to go on. But goodrow got a first(yes he had 1 more year). Will teams like flames and oilers move a first no, but IF the Habs are blowing it up at the deadline I wouldn’t be surprised if someone moved a 1st for them
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25 fév à 12 h 04
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Quoting: Byrr
Two drafts in the same year doesn't make teams more likely to move first round picks. The facts are these guys are rentals and arn't superstars. They won't get 1st rounders.


it depends on the market bud.
25 fév à 12 h 05
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Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
Did you just say hall, sorry you’ve lost tour argument. Taylor hall has zero goals and 6 assists 5v5 and doesn’t play defence. Rentals like Tatar and danault don’t tend to get dealt so their isn’t much of a history to go on. But goodrow got a first(yes he had 1 more year). Will teams like flames and oilers move a first no, but IF the Habs are blowing it up at the deadline I wouldn’t be surprised if someone moved a 1st for them


If you are going to try to argue that Taylor Hall isn't a superstar you might as well just stop before you even begin.
25 fév à 12 h 08
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The Flames I doubt it, that's why I didn't include them in my first comment, but the Oilers I do think so. They have a big hole at 3C that Danault fills more than perfectly, and they have the cap space next year to extend him.


I can't see any 3C being worth of a 1st...unless it's from a team like Tampa who is going to pick in the late 20s and 30s. But really Denault has been poor this year. He seems to have lost millions by not signing a reported 5.5m X 6 extension last summer. In today's cap league, what is 3C worth? Gee, some fans don't like Kerfoot at 3.5m (I'm fine with it)
25 fév à 12 h 08
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Quoting: Byrr
If you are going to try to argue that Taylor Hall isn't a superstar you might as well just stop before you even begin.


Superstar your mental. He’s had 2 good seasons out of like 10. He has potential but come on. Is domi a superstar also?
25 fév à 12 h 10
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Quoting: Byrr
If you are going to try to argue that Taylor Hall isn't a superstar you might as well just stop before you even begin.


Hall was a superstar(well maybe for a couple of seasons)...but doubt if he is looked upon as one now. Maybe not even a "star" now
25 fév à 12 h 10
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Quoting: palhal
I can't see any 3C being worth of a 1st...unless it's from a team like Tampa who is going to pick in the late 20s and 30s. But really Denault has been poor this year. He seems to have lost millions by not signing a reported 5.5m X 6 extension last summer. In today's cap league, what is 3C worth? Gee, some fans don't like Kerfoot at 3.5m (I'm fine with it)


He's not a 3C, he's a 2C but Edmonton's two top centers would make him the 3C unless one of them is moved to the wing. Guys like Hayes, Stastny have been moved as rentals for 1st round picks while putting similar numbers to Danault's.
25 fév à 12 h 16
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Quoting: SevenLeg
He's not a 3C, he's a 2C but Edmonton's two top centers would make him the 3C unless one of them is moved to the wing. Guys like Hayes, Stastny have been moved as rentals for 1st round picks while putting similar numbers to Danault's.


Thus why a team needing a 2C is much more likely to pay a 1st for Danault and outbid whatever Holland would give, since Holland is likely already concerned he sent out so many picks last deadline. I think it's just not the best fit for EDM, more likely EDM looks for a guy who is an actual 3C, as much as I'd like Danault it's a bit overkill and not the best way the Oil could use a 1st.
25 fév à 12 h 19
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lol i didnt think my 2 "simple trades" would get this much attention lol..... I could see Edmonton doing that trade for sure. Get a key faceoff guy for playoffs, and put danualt with the right people, he can definitely play well...... Tatar might just be the 1st coming back, but i added bennett just becuase i heard they are looking to trade him.

But every playoff team will trade there 1st round pick to get better that year.....
25 fév à 12 h 30
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Quoting: habsrule10101
lol i didnt think my 2 "simple trades" would get this much attention lol..... I could see Edmonton doing that trade for sure. Get a key faceoff guy for playoffs, and put danualt with the right people, he can definitely play well...... Tatar might just be the 1st coming back, but i added bennett just becuase i heard they are looking to trade him.

But every playoff team will trade there 1st round pick to get better that year.....


I think every "contender" would trade their 1st, but Im not sure Calgary or EDM are contenders. Personally I covet 1st rounders more than the average guy and I wouldnt deal them for these guys without an extension.
25 fév à 13 h 10
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Quoting: masterjuddi
I think every "contender" would trade their 1st, but Im not sure Calgary or EDM are contenders. Personally I covet 1st rounders more than the average guy and I wouldnt deal them for these guys without an extension.


Yea like ottawa is already out, and vancouver looks like poop..... So you have the other 5 canadian teams fighting for 4 playoff spots.... Depending on what the standings look like in a month, these trades wont happen.... But as of right now, edmonton in 2nd and calgary is 1 win away from being in the playoffs...... These trades ONLY happen if Montreal struggles, and if Edmonton and Calargy are in a playoff picture
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