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Forsberg

Créé par: JTrades
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 21 févr. 2021
Publié: 21 févr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Probably never going to happen but what do you thing? The article had a first, Anderson, and Noemela. Plus kerfoor going to another team. If I was Nashville I will take home and flip him again.

This is a steep price to pay for sure but you get a good third line C, and a top 6 forward without giving up an impact player that you don't replace
Transactions
TOR
  1. Forsberg, Filip (3 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Järnkrok, Calle
NSH
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Liljegren, Timothy
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2021
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2022
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2023
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $80 399 741 $0 $0 $1 100 259 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 4
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1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Predators de Nashville
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
874 125 $874 125 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
G
RFA - 1

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21 févr. 2021 à 18 h 58
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I like Forsberg....but i think Nas would want a young good prospect like Robertson or Amirov and a first round pick and more.
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21 févr. 2021 à 18 h 59
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Can I ask what article you're referring to, in the team explanation?

NSH doesn't consider this offer. If you want Forsberg for that kind of retention, it's going to cost you a few pieces it would hurt to give up.
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21 févr. 2021 à 19 h 1
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Can I ask what article you're referring to, in the team explanation?

NSH doesn't consider this offer. If you want Forsberg for that kind of retention, it's going to cost you a few pieces it would hurt to give up.


"I know it's a steep price to pay" lmao, yea for NSH not TOR as he implied
21 févr. 2021 à 19 h 7
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Quoting: Shinsei_Leafs
I like Forsberg....but i think Nas would want a young good prospect like Robertson or Amirov and a first round pick and more.


Well Robertson is a no but depending on what the offer is I'd personally consider anyone else
21 févr. 2021 à 19 h 8
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https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021/02/21/exploring-the-prospects-of-a-filip-forsberg-trade-to-toronto/

I actually meant for both sides as it would drastically change the make up and future outlook of each team. What would it take for you to accept?
21 févr. 2021 à 20 h 0
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https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021/02/21/exploring-the-prospects-of-a-filip-forsberg-trade-to-toronto/

I actually meant for both sides as it would drastically change the make up and future outlook of each team. What would it take for you to accept?


Thanks for sharing that! It's not a blog that I normally read, so it wasn't on my radar. It was an... interesting read.

My two biggest problems with his take are:
1/ The author admits TOR underpaid for Muzzin, and that Forsberg carries more value than Muzzin (I believe the gap is greater than he infers, but comparing forwards and defensemen isn't an exact science), but he doesn't account for either of those in his proposal.

2/ The author acknowledges that NSH would need compensation for retaining salary on Forsberg, but offers Kerfoot as that compensation. Need aside (NSH has too many 3C's as it stands, all on more attractive contracts than Kerfoot's), Adding his salary adds to the burden of retaining on Forsberg - not the other way around. If NSH is going to spend $6M on one player, why would they choose a redundant role player over a the kind of highly skilled star they don't have enough of?

Now your proposal here does have a Liljegren who would be a addition to NSH, and a 2nd, but you're also asking for Jarnkrok, more $ retention, and sending Engvall who doesn't have value to NSH. I guess both your proposal and the one from hot stove are about equal value-wise, but neither is anything close to what NSH would need.

If TOR is hell-bent on trying to acquire Forsberg (no retained salary) without one of Robertson or Sandin being part of the return, I think multiple 1sts would have to be a feature of the package. The Preds aren't going to move Forsberg without giving themselves at least a chance to land a guy of his skill one day. The more salary TOR needs NSH to retain or the more undesirable to NSH contracts they want to include (Kerfoot, Engvall, Vesey, etc), the more that drives the price up. If someone like Kerfoot is worth a 2nd-late 1st as the article suggests, I'd like the Leafs find that trade, then add that return to this offer. I'm not a fan of the "if they don't want this guy, they can just flip him for such and such a return" proposals. I guess I see way too many of them on these boards, but I just find that argument lazy.
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21 févr. 2021 à 20 h 25
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Quoting: gmgb
Thanks for sharing that! It's not a blog that I normally read, so it wasn't on my radar. It was an... interesting read.

My two biggest problems with his take are:
1/ The author admits TOR underpaid for Muzzin, and that Forsberg carries more value than Muzzin (I believe the gap is greater than he infers, but comparing forwards and defensemen isn't an exact science), but he doesn't account for either of those in his proposal.

2/ The author acknowledges that NSH would need compensation for retaining salary on Forsberg, but offers Kerfoot as that compensation. Need aside (NSH has too many 3C's as it stands, all on more attractive contracts than Kerfoot's), Adding his salary adds to the burden of retaining on Forsberg - not the other way around. If NSH is going to spend $6M on one player, why would they choose a redundant role player over a the kind of highly skilled star they don't have enough of?

Now your proposal here does have a Liljegren who would be a addition to NSH, and a 2nd, but you're also asking for Jarnkrok, more $ retention, and sending Engvall who doesn't have value to NSH. I guess both your proposal and the one from hot stove are about equal value-wise, but neither is anything close to what NSH would need.

If TOR is hell-bent on trying to acquire Forsberg (no retained salary) without one of Robertson or Sandin being part of the return, I think multiple 1sts would have to be a feature of the package. The Preds aren't going to move Forsberg without giving themselves at least a chance to land a guy of his skill one day. The more salary TOR needs NSH to retain or the more undesirable to NSH contracts they want to include (Kerfoot, Engvall, Vesey, etc), the more that drives the price up. If someone like Kerfoot is worth a 2nd-late 1st as the article suggests, I'd like the Leafs find that trade, then add that return to this offer. I'm not a fan of the "if they don't want this guy, they can just flip him for such and such a return" proposals. I guess I see way too many of them on these boards, but I just find that argument lazy.


Thanks for reading and for the thoughtful response. If the leafs trade kerfoot for picks instead of inserting him into the trade, what picks would need to go in the trade? Aside from the first and second already in the trade
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21 févr. 2021 à 22 h 19
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Thanks for reading and for the thoughtful response. If the leafs trade kerfoot for picks instead of inserting him into the trade, what picks would need to go in the trade? Aside from the first and second already in the trade


You mean your original proposal of Forsberg (50% retained) & Jarnkrok? It's still going to be way more than you want to pay. Amirov, 2-3 firsts, + territory.
 
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