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Assuming Boston is on Hertls list of 3 teams

Créé par: benkel
Équipe: 2020-21 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 19 févr. 2021
Publié: 19 févr. 2021
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I'm also assuming that from GM Doug Wilson's perspective, compromising with Hertl on extension talks is like trying to compromise with people that use capfriendly.

People like you.

Who are reading this description, looking at the trade scenario and dropping a comment that offers no constructive solutions on how to make a fair trade work between two teams.

I'm assuming Hertl is going to walk out on the Sharks next year.

Could Hertl be the player that puts Boston over the top and delivers its first stanley cup in over a decade?

This trade is modelled off of the Matt Duchene trade from 2017.

I also don't touch any core pieces to the Bruins roster, much like the 2017 Duchene trade.

As a distinguished ACGM, do you have the courage to bring a Stanley Cup to Boston?

Or to even increase the cup odds for the Bruins?

Then please consider this trade.

I'll see you in the comments :D

P.S. If the second line with Hertl works out okay, it could be known as the "Czeching" line lol.
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  1. Hertl, Tomas
Détails additionnels:
For the explanation as to why Boston might be on Hertl's 3 team trade list, please see my ACGM post "Guessing What's In Everybody's No-Trade Clauses Part 2 out of 3".
Posted on February 16th.
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  1. Beecher, John
  2. Lohrei, Mason
  3. Moore, John
  4. Studnicka, Jack
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (BOS)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (BOS)
  7. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (BOS)
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1st round pick is conditional.

Condition: If pick ends up in the top ten, the Bruins have the option to keep the 2021 1st round pick and send San Jose their 2022 1st round pick instead.
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20 févr. 2021 à 15 h 6
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Cool. This trade is with boston, and they’re giving up the farm for secondary scoring. Makes zero sense. If you can find me a similar value traded for a player of hertl’ s production in this century, I’ll be very surprised.


Oh lol your a eastern stats watcher. Probably not worth fighting with you
20 févr. 2021 à 16 h 14
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Okay, well, yikes. I think you have to give the prospects a google. And i get that a pick outside the top ten isn’t a lock to pan out, but you aren’t trading Gretzky here. It’s Tomas hertl. If you want to argue his value is a late first and a B prospect, I’ll hear you out, but it can’t be more than that. Again. This is a guy that his hit 50 points once in his career.


I don’t want to trade him and you don’t think he’s worth a lot. to me this works we keep our star you roll the dice on your pick!
21 févr. 2021 à 0 h 47
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Benkel, you did a great job creating a trade that reflects the Duchene trade from 2017. Almost to a T in terms of comparable prospect values.

The problem is comparing Duchene to Hertl. When he was traded, Duchene was a year younger than Hertl is now, had a higher draft pedigree and had accomplished more in the NHL -simply a bigger name - and most importantly was scoring at .73 PPG for a bad Colorado team vs .62 PPG for Hertl on a Sharks team that had been good up until last year. The players aren’t as close as you want them to be and you should not expect the return to be that close.

You’re also underestimating the roles that the specific teams played in that deal. Nashville had a logjam on defense and Ottawa was loaded with picks and prospects. The Bruins are far from deep in the pipeline and thus more attached to their prospects. Nashville didn’t see a long-term spot for Girard; Boston will put Studnicka just about anywhere to get him in the lineup. Bowers was a JAG prospect for Ottawa, Beecher is Boston’s best unsigned prospect. And Kamenev and Lohrei is the one comparable you missed in my opinion. One was older and already establishing his pro value while the other is a long-term project with higher upside.

The point is that the Bruins simply won’t make this deal because you think Hertl is the new Duchene. They aren’t as close as you like and the situation isn’t the same. The Sharks likely get one of those three top prospects and then one or two lesser prospects and maybe a pair of seconds or a 2022 first. In my opinion, the Sharks should still take that rather than risk Hertl walking.

(Also, keep the Perfection Line together and put a healthy Kase on the Czeching line, DeBrusk on the third line, Ritchie on the fourth line. Looks great)
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21 févr. 2021 à 2 h 47
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I don’t want to trade him and you don’t think he’s worth a lot. to me this works we keep our star you roll the dice on your pick!


Star is pretty liberally defined here. He’s not a star.

Role the dice on the pick. Sure. The prospect is by far the most valuable piece here.
21 févr. 2021 à 2 h 48
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Oh lol your a eastern stats watcher. Probably not worth fighting with you


I’m not a stat guy. Kinda hate the stat crew to be honest. That said, when trading a first, second, third, a top prospect, and a former first rounder, there kinda has to be a high end scorer coming back.
21 févr. 2021 à 6 h 22
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Don Sweeney would never give up all that for Hertl.
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I’m not a stat guy. Kinda hate the stat crew to be honest. That said, when trading a first, second, third, a top prospect, and a former first rounder, there kinda has to be a high end scorer coming back.


Yeah and who gave you the impression Hertl isnt one? Certainly not his on ice play or advanced stats
21 févr. 2021 à 12 h 1
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Yeah and who gave you the impression Hertl isnt one? Certainly not his on ice play or advanced stats


His lack of scoring gave me that impression.

When moving a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and top prospects, i would like to get a guy that’s cracked 50 points more than once.
21 févr. 2021 à 12 h 26
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I love how the 7-for-1 trades are back in vogue again this year...fuuuggggly
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His lack of scoring gave me that impression.

When moving a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and top prospects, i would like to get a guy that’s cracked 50 points more than once.


Exactly. Stats watcher who knows little about the player
21 févr. 2021 à 16 h 20
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Exactly. Stats watcher who knows little about the player


Sigh. Let’s see if we can work backwards a bit through our back and forth.

Stats aren’t all that matter. It’s a small portion of things. HOWEVER. If you’re making one of the biggest payments for a player seen this century, a HIGH END SCORER would be needed in return. You may remember i said that earlier. Scoring statistics like goals and assists do help determine if a player is a high end scorer. There is no argument that hertl is a high end scorer in the NHL. One outlier season. That’s it.
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Sigh. Let’s see if we can work backwards a bit through our back and forth.

Stats aren’t all that matter. It’s a small portion of things. HOWEVER. If you’re making one of the biggest payments for a player seen this century, a HIGH END SCORER would be needed in return. You may remember i said that earlier. Scoring statistics like goals and assists do help determine if a player is a high end scorer. There is no argument that hertl is a high end scorer in the NHL. One outlier season. That’s it.


You clearly dont understand. His lack of high scoring is an problem of the team and his injuries far more than it is him. Put him with Berg and Pasta and he would blow your mind
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You clearly dont understand. His lack of high scoring is an problem of the team and his injuries far more than it is him. Put him with Berg and Pasta and he would blow your mind


You can say taht about virtually any player in the league. Eight years in the league, seven of them he’s stunk offensively.

Say it with me: hertl is not a high end scorer. You know this. It is obvious. He can still be a very good player, and i know that he is. But, again, for one of the biggest payments made for an NHL player this century, the guy has to be a high end scorer. Hertl has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and without any argument to the contrary, that he is not a high end NHL scorer.
21 févr. 2021 à 16 h 31
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Exactly. Stats watcher who knows little about the player


this is the same guy a while back who said stats are meaningless and that all that matters is the eye test.

Meanwhile, somehow the "stats" make Studnicka some super prospect...
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21 févr. 2021 à 16 h 45
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this is the same guy a while back who said stats are meaningless and that all that matters is the eye test.

Meanwhile, somehow the "stats" make Studnicka some super prospect...


Hes a walking contradiction.
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22 févr. 2021 à 1 h 1
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Star is pretty liberally defined here. He’s not a star.

Role the dice on the pick. Sure. The prospect is by far the most valuable piece here.


$500 bucks says no one from the 2021 draft reaches Hertl’s level not even the first overal.
22 févr. 2021 à 9 h 12
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$500 bucks says no one from the 2021 draft reaches Hertl’s level not even the first overal.


Make it a billion. Thats the lock of the century
22 févr. 2021 à 9 h 45
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Duchene trade in 2017:

Kyle Turris
Shane Bowers Late 1st rounder
Andrew Hammond Backup goalie
2018 1st
2019 3rd

What you are asking for for Hertl:
Moore, John Not sure why you would bother including moore unless its for cap matching purposes but i think bruins like the depth they have a defenseman for the exact reason they are having right now with 4 injured dmen at the same time.
Beecher, John 1st round prospect
Lohrei, Mason 2nd round prospect
Studnicka, Jack nhl ready 2nd round pick
2021 1st round pick (BOS) wont be top 10 so this would be the pick being sent...
2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

So you want 2 firsts, 3 seconds, and a 3rd plus an nhl dman for hertl? vs duchene who got turris who was flipped completely separate trade. 2 firsts a backup goalie and a 3rd. I dont see how these even remotely equate?

When ottawa traded turris he was an asset sure. but you cant include the turris flip as the same package of players coming back. 2 separate deals.
IF you were basing this trade on that youde be looking at:
2022 1st (wouldnt move this pick that draft is way too deep)
2023 3rd
Jack Beecher (kid shows ALOT of promise, idk if bowers had necessarily the same hype that beecher has been getting recently just going off of end of first round pick bowers was 28 in 2017 draft.)
Jake Debrusk (might be a similarly valued asset to turris but also still with RFA cap control. so value might actually be higher due to that control factor)
Booth/Vladar (halak is infinitely better than hammond)

I mean thats a win now move while also staying relevant since hertl is still a young piece but do you need to add 2 1sts a 3rd and a goalie to debrusk to get a guy that wants to hit ufa? i dont know if you do.
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22 févr. 2021 à 11 h 0
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Make it a billion. Thats the lock of the century


You’re just a jerk arnt you just looking to piss people off and make people angry bottom line is I’ve done my scouting reports on the 2021 draft edit week it’s really weak type of draft for the second or third overall pics might be just nothing more than support players maybe a couple pics Floreis it doesn’t look like it. Hurdle is a sure fire top 6 center in the prime of his career. No amount of your derogatory marks or attitude is going to make that difference. I have said from the beginning hurl is going to take a lot to pry away from the sharks because the sharks don’t want to trade him so offering a pathetic hall and saying it’s stupid that we’re not treating him for it is asinine. Is hurtle worth two first I thought prospects in a second maybe maybe not but that’s
What it’s going to cost to get him away from the sharks.
22 févr. 2021 à 11 h 20
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
You’re just a jerk arnt you just looking to piss people off and make people angry bottom line is I’ve done my scouting reports on the 2021 draft edit week it’s really weak type of draft for the second or third overall pics might be just nothing more than support players maybe a couple pics Floreis it doesn’t look like it. Hurdle is a sure fire top 6 center in the prime of his career. No amount of your derogatory marks or attitude is going to make that difference. I have said from the beginning hurl is going to take a lot to pry away from the sharks because the sharks don’t want to trade him so offering a pathetic hall and saying it’s stupid that we’re not treating him for it is asinine. Is hurtle worth two first I thought prospects in a second maybe maybe not but that’s
What it’s going to cost to get him away from the sharks.


Holy cow. I can picture you seething behind your keyboard, angrily typing that out. Ignoring punctuation and spelling Hertl, like four different ways, all incorrect. We’ve got hurdle, hurl, hurtle...amazing.

Anyhow, you don’t think there’s a guy in this draft that can be more than a 35 point forward? You’ve done your scouting reports, right? That’s what Hertl has been in six of his seven NHL seasons. That’s a pretty low bar. I bet maybe, just maybe there can be one guy in the draft that can reach that lofty benchmark.

I’ve said time and time again Hertl is a good player. I don’t know why you’re so defensive. If you can find an instance of a forward that has only cracked 50 points once in his career being traded for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and top prospects, I’ll happily withdraw my criticism. There’s a lot more to the game than points, but to command one of the highest returns in trade so far this century, i feel like the player needs to be an offensive threat.
 
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