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Taking Advantage of Bad GMs

Créé par: theclassycrime
Date de création initiale: fév 19, 2021
Publié: 19 fév à 15 h 54
Équipe: 2020-21 Ducks d'Anaheim
Explications
Ducks have to commit to their next generation so they need to rid of some good old players to move into the new.
Transactions
ANA
  1. Deangelo, Anthony (2 400 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
NYR put themselves in an awful situation by devaluing a very high-value asset, now they have to pay to get rid of the asset for optics.
NYR
  1. Welinski, Andy
ANA
  1. Appleton, Mason
  2. 2021 1e round pick (WPG)
  3. 2022 3e round pick (CBJ)
WPG
  1. Manson, Josh
ANA
  1. Eichel, Jack
Détails additionnels:
I know Buffalo fans are wanting everyone's best prospects and 18 1st round picks...But let's be honest, that's not going to happen.

Now, I don't expect this trade to happen either, but this is the type of trade that BUF fans will likely get. However, at least it's better than the O'Reilly trade. A top-pairing LHD, an average 2C, and prospect who's projected to be a 2nd line C, isn't a bad haul.

Sorry, guys, you're not going to get Zegras or Drysdale, you're not going to get any well-stocked teams' #1 prospect because that's not how this league works.
BUF
  1. Lindholm, Hampus
  2. Steel, Sam
  3. Henrique, Adam
ANA
  1. 2021 4e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Larsson, Jacob
Rachats de contrats
  • Corey Perry: 6 625 000 $
  • Simon Despres: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
ANA
WPG
ANA
ANA
ANA
NYI
ANA
EDM
ANA
2022
ANA
ANA
ANA
CBJ
ANA
ANA
ANA
NSH
2023
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $74 151 110 $0 $132 500 $7 348 890 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
ANA
Milano, Sonny
1 700 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
ANA
Terry, Troy
1 450 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 3
ANA
Comtois, Maxime
820 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
ANA
Lundeström, Isac
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
3 789 444 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
ANA
Heinen, Danton
2 800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
ANA
Getzlaf, Ryan
8 250 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
ANA
Silfverberg, Jakob
5 250 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
ANA
Jones, Max
863 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
ANA
Backes, David
4 500 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Appleton, Mason
900 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
ANA
Fowler, Cam
6 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
2 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
ANA
Gibson, John
6 400 000 $
G
UFA - 7
ANA
Mahura, Josh
745 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
ANA
Shattenkirk, Kevin
3 900 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
ANA
Miller, Ryan
1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
ANA
Hutton, Ben
950 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
ANA
Hakanpää, Jani
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
ANA
Rowney, Carter
1 133 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
6 875 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
ANA
Deslauriers, Nicolas
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
ANA
Guhle, Brendan
800 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
ANA
Grant, Derek
1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Équipe de réserve
ANA
Stolarz, Anthony
750 000 $ (0 $)
G
UFA - 1
ANA
De Leo, Chase
700 000 $ (0 $)
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
ANA
Curran, Kodie
1 000 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 2

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19 fév à 15 h 55
#1
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Buffalo easily decline. This league works differently.
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19 fév à 15 h 57
#2
First NY Then LA
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Welcome back!

We won't be getting Jack Eichel, especially for that.
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19 fév à 15 h 58
#3
imawesome
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Don't know where you got the idea that the Sabres are trading one of the best centers in the league for a slightly overpaid 3rd defender at best and two middle 6 centers just because they don't have the best GM in the league.
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19 fév à 15 h 58
#4
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Modifié 19 fév à 16 h 35
Lol just because you say it doesn’t make it so. That Eichel trade is bad. The league def trades top prospects for stars all the time. Look at the Buf Col trade Grigorenko was still considered a top prospect as was Zadorov. Add in Compher and the first pick in the second.. yeah that’s a bad Eichel offer
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19 fév à 15 h 58
#5
bhavikp27
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I don't think NYR feel the way you feel about DeAngelo. They placed him on waivers to get rid of him but it didn't work because of his contract. But no "devaluing a very high-value asset" considering who he is first
19 fév à 15 h 59
#6
Ragsandbluesfan
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Buying him out literally costs us less, gorton didn't get where he is by doing **** like that
19 fév à 16 h 00
#7
SabresFan1996
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You get Eichel unless you trade zegras
19 fév à 16 h 09
#8
Wants Carson Soucy
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Jeff Gorton and NYR didn't devalue a high-value asset. TDA did that all by himself.
And that Sabres trade... lol
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19 fév à 16 h 09
#9
NYI
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Sure from NYI.
19 fév à 16 h 10
#10
Wants Carson Soucy
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Buying him out literally costs us less, gorton didn't get where he is by doing **** like that


To be fair this trade does clear 880K in 2022 (the buyout dead money), and we have a lot of spending to do that offseason. I wouldn't hate trading and retaining.
19 fév à 16 h 13
#11
Leafs suck
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"sorry guys, you're not getting Zegras or Drsydale"...

Yes they are if you want Eichel.
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19 fév à 16 h 15
#12
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Lol, what an idiot.
19 fév à 16 h 30
#13
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You're wrong about eichel.
19 fév à 17 h 12
#14
Rejoint: fév 2017
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Youre thinking of our old gm. Hes in seattle.
19 fév à 17 h 22
#15
Banni
Rejoint: mai 2016
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I have a feeling you think Botteril is still the gm. Adams has done more for buffalo than Botteril has done in his 3 years
19 fév à 17 h 56
#16
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Buying him out literally costs us less, gorton didn't get where he is by doing **** like that


Maybe that is a reason to do the deal, no?
19 fév à 17 h 57
#17
Ragsandbluesfan
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Maybe that is a reason to do the deal, no?


Not at all
19 fév à 18 h 02
#18
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Not at all


7th place, winning 1/3 of their games?

Kind of a strange spot to use, we didn't get here by doing *** like that.

Its not an enviable spot, unless you're Buffalo
19 fév à 18 h 06
#19
Ragsandbluesfan
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
7th place, winning 1/3 of their games?

Kind of a strange spot to use, we didn't get here by doing *** like that.

Its not an enviable spot, unless you're Buffalo


We're in a rebuild, we're not vegas, not to mention we're having an awful shooting season as a whole team
19 fév à 18 h 23
#20
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: imawesome
Don't know where you got the idea that the Sabres are trading one of the best centers in the league for a slightly overpaid 3rd defender at best and two middle 6 centers just because they don't have the best GM in the league.


When the Ducks were good Lindholm was a top 10 defender in the league in driving play (CF% and xGF% and defending. Since Ducks started sucking he has been their best player and still is in the top 30 D (over 3500 TOI) of the NHL for driving play. He is undeniably a top-pairing defender. Henrique over the past two seasons, on a garbage ANA team, for C's (1000 TOI) was at the very edge of the top 30 Cs for driving play and average 25 goals per season on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. Steel is a highly-touted prospect, probably the Ducks 3rd behind Zegras & Drysdale.

By no means am I saying BUF should make this trade, or even trade EIchel. But if they do, this is the type of trade they will get. But to say they're getting a 3rd defender and two middle-six Cs isn't true. They get a top pairing D, a 2nd line C and a prospect who's probably 3rd in their depth chart behind Cozens & Quinn.
20 fév à 8 h 17
#21
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
7th place, winning 1/3 of their games?

Kind of a strange spot to use, we didn't get here by doing *** like that.

Its not an enviable spot, unless you're Buffalo


It's makes more sense to spend 1.3M over 2 years than to pay 2.4M in 1 year. This year is over for us and there is 0 reason to try to turn it around since there was never any expectations that we make playoffs from anyone. Next year there should be a better look but still shouldn't be in playoffs even with adding a POWER/HUGHES/BENIERS. 22' will be the year any sensible fan should demand a playoff presence. In the meantime it's season and tweak and settle a bunch of nice bridge deals. All that being said the 1/3 or 2.4M is irrelevant next year since we shouldn't be in compete now mode so if the package coming back to NYR has value for the retention than it makes sense, but in this case it's a 27 year old AHL at best player. ANA can keep their "promising" prospect and send a pick that at least has a small % to become something.
 
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