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Eichel

Créé par: Shakabakes
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 18 févr. 2021
Publié: 18 févr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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BUF
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Schneider, Braden
  3. Strome, Ryan
  4. Wall, Tyler
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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Strome for Salary purposes, and just a warm body for the Sabres at C.
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 28
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Honestly with how he's looked this season (very disinterested) I'd be a but worried about acquiring Eichel
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 34
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Honestly with how he's looked this season (very disinterested) I'd be a but worried about acquiring Eichel


He's pulling a James Harden to get out of town. He'll probably start wearing a fat suit during warmups, lol.
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 35
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Honestly with how he's looked this season (very disinterested) I'd be a but worried about acquiring Eichel


Good thing Rangers fans don't have to worry about it.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 39
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Honestly with how he's looked this season (very disinterested) I'd be a but worried about acquiring Eichel


What did Hall, Dahlin, Skinner and the rest of the team's creative players look like? They all fell off a cliff and this is on head coach.
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 40
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Buffalo easily decline. Quantity for quality does not work.
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 42
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While I'd love to make that deal as a Rangers fan, Buffalo wouldn't do that.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 42
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Buffalo easily decline. Quantity for quality does not work.


Any deal involving Eichel will involve quantity. Nobody is moving an "Eichel type" player to acquire Eichel straight up. Any possible deal will involve a package of assets for one player.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 45
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Any deal involving Eichel will involve quantity. Nobody is moving an "Eichel type" player to acquire Eichel straight up. Any possible deal will involve a package of assets for one player.


These are the wrong assets and I'm sure there will be much better offers from other teams. You have to give up your best prospects or young players to get Eichel, because you only hope that they will be as good as Eichel, but they may not be as good.
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18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 52
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
These are the wrong assets and I'm sure there will be much better offers from other teams. You have to give up your best prospects or young players to get Eichel, because you only hope that they will be as good as Eichel, but they may not be as good.


Meh. Throw it on the table with the others. Best offer wins.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 52
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These are the wrong assets and I'm sure there will be much better offers from other teams. You have to give up your best prospects or young players to get Eichel, because you only hope that they will be as good as Eichel, but they may not be as good.


Even if they hold onto some of their Prime assets, not many teams will be able to put together a better overall package than the Rangers. Maybe the Kings, but they are flush with Center Prospects, so that wouldn't make much sense.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 57
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Even if they hold onto some of their Prime assets, not many teams will be able to put together a better overall package than the Rangers. Maybe the Kings, but they are flush with Center Prospects, so that wouldn't make much sense.


Why wouldn’t that make sense? Center prospects for elite center makes perfect sense to me.
18 févr. 2021 à 17 h 59
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Quoting: Shakabakes
Even if they hold onto some of their Prime assets, not many teams will be able to put together a better overall package than the Rangers. Maybe the Kings, but they are flush with Center Prospects, so that wouldn't make much sense.


But you have a lousy package. I think there will be 4-5 teams in the league who will be seriously interested in Eichel and will be ready to pay a very good price, so maybe 2-3 teams will be in the shadows and can turn on and win the race.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 2
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Why wouldn’t that make sense? Center prospects for elite center makes perfect sense to me.


They still have Kopitar down the middle. Vilardi down the middle. Byfield,Turcotte, Kupari, and Thomas down the line. Even if only 2 or 3 of those guys work out, they're stacked. Makes no sense to give up Picks and Assets to acquire a Center when it's already a position of strength.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 4
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They still have Kopitar down the middle. Vilardi down the middle. Byfield,Turcotte, Kupari, and Thomas down the line. Even if only 2 or 3 of those guys work out, they're stacked. Makes no sense to give up Picks and Assets to acquire a Center when it's already a position of strength.


You aren’t getting it. Buf would almost require a center/center prospects coming back. Buf #1 center would be Cody Eakin next year if they don’t sign anyone
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 5
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But you have a lousy package. I think there will be 4-5 teams in the league who will be seriously interested in Eichel and will be ready to pay a very good price, so maybe 2-3 teams will be in the shadows and can turn on and win the race.


Outside of Strome and Wall, this "lousy" package is essentially Four 1st Round Picks. Not really as terrible as you make it out to be.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 9
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Outside of Strome and Wall, this "lousy" package is essentially Four 1st Round Picks. Not really as terrible as you make it out to be.


Kravtsov and Schneider are unimpressive as a base package. I can also offer you Thompson and Mittelstadt or Ryan Johnson as a base for your most valuable player, this is unlikely to suit you.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 23
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You aren’t getting it. Buf would almost require a center/center prospects coming back. Buf #1 center would be Cody Eakin next year if they don’t sign anyone


Yeah, it makes sense for Buffalo. It doesn't make sense for the Kings. That's what I was getting at. Kings have so much potential there. Other areas of need for them to beef up if they chose to move some of them.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 25
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Kravtsov and Schneider are unimpressive as a base package. I can also offer you Thompson and Mittelstadt or Ryan Johnson as a base for your most valuable player, this is unlikely to suit you.


Give me a base package from another team that would compare or exceed the one I put up. And that would actually be realistic.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 30
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Yeah, it makes sense for Buffalo. It doesn't make sense for the Kings. That's what I was getting at. Kings have so much potential there. Other areas of need for them to beef up if they chose to move some of them.


Ok now that we have assessed that it makes sense for Buf to target young centers, your proposal of a winger, defenseman, and goalie with quite frankly a 2C at best when strapped to Panarin doesn’t make much sense for Buf does it.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 32
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Give me a base package from another team that would compare or exceed the one I put up. And that would actually be realistic.


Right now a fan of Kings on hfboards suggested: Byfield + Vilardi + Clague + 1st I'll take his package, not yours.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 35
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Ok now that we have assessed that it makes sense for Buf to target young centers, your proposal of a winger, defenseman, and goalie with quite frankly a 2C at best when strapped to Panarin doesn’t make much sense for Buf does it.


So if it makes no sense for the Kings with their plethora of Center Prospects, who is the next best suitor? Do the Sabres take a lesser Overall package as long as a young C is involved?

The Sabres have holes in more places than one. So while I understand the idea of looking to get back from the one position you just lost, it's not like there isn't a need at the other areas that my proposal focused on.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 41
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Right now a fan of Kings on hfboards suggested: Byfield + Vilardi + Clague + 1st I'll take his package, not yours.


A rebuilding team trading 2 young Centers at a position of strength (at least one a potential Franchise Center) and a D for another 1 Franchise Center.

It is a nice deal. But again, I really don't see how this makes sense for the Kings. If you want to move a C Prospect (among the many you have), you do it to bulk up a position where you're weakest.

If both Byfield and Vilardi pan out, then you just gave up 2 cost effective Centers for 1 taking up $10M of your Cap. I get why you like it, but I don't think it's realistic.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 41
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So if it makes no sense for the Kings with their plethora of Center Prospects, who is the next best suitor? Do the Sabres take a lesser Overall package as long as a young C is involved?

The Sabres have holes in more places than one. So while I understand the idea of looking to get back from the one position you just lost, it's not like there isn't a need at the other areas that my proposal focused on.


Sorry. The package you proposed isn’t even that great on top of anything I just said. There’s zero high end pieces. So let’s take LA for example. They can throw in Dustin brown or quick for cap purposes. They offer one of the young C + with a first as well and that’s already better for the Sabres long term. I mean the goalie prospect wall does nothing and would be Buf third prospect behind UPL and Portillo. Schneider would be middle of the pack in Buf prospect pool. There’s nothing there hurting NYR.
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 45
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A rebuilding team trading 2 young Centers at a position of strength (at least one a potential Franchise Center) and a D for another 1 Franchise Center.

It is a nice deal. But again, I really don't see how this makes sense for the Kings. If you want to move a C Prospect (among the many you have), you do it to bulk up a position where you're weakest.

If both Byfield and Vilardi pan out, then you just gave up 2 cost effective Centers for 1 taking up $10M of your Cap. I get why you like it, but I don't think it's realistic.


Philly fan proposed this: Frost, Sanhiem, Konecny, Patrick and 2 firsts. That beats the above from a value and a positional need stand point for Buf
18 févr. 2021 à 18 h 46
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A rebuilding team trading 2 young Centers at a position of strength (at least one a potential Franchise Center) and a D for another 1 Franchise Center.

It is a nice deal. But again, I really don't see how this makes sense for the Kings. If you want to move a C Prospect (among the many you have), you do it to bulk up a position where you're weakest.

If both Byfield and Vilardi pan out, then you just gave up 2 cost effective Centers for 1 taking up $10M of your Cap. I get why you like it, but I don't think it's realistic.


I just said what offers I see from fans of other teams. Understand, if we trade in Eichel, then I would like to return the chance for quality, not quantity and build around it. I know perfectly well who Kravtsov is, as I regularly watch KHL, but he does not move the needle. Schneider is an RDs prospect that we don't really need, and not every prospect picked in the first round is of great value, especially if you want to get a player like Eichel.
 
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