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idea of hall trade proposed on sdp

Créé par: nobleknight77
Date de création initiale: fév 16, 2021
Publié: 16 fév à 20 h 41
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
This is also at the deadline or closer to it so I'm assuming no injuries.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Hall, Taylor (4 000 000 $ retained)
  2. 2022 6e round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. Malgin, Denis
  4. 2021 1e round pick (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
BUF
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $76 599 741 $0 $0 $4 900 259 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Boyd, Travis
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
874 125 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $ (0 $)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Galchenyuk, Alex
1 050 000 $ (0 $)
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
900 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
725 000 $ (0 $)
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Matthews, A.
Simmonds, W.
Spezza, J.
Rielly, M.
Marner, M.
Avantage numérique 2
Hyman, Z.
Tavares, J.
Nylander, W.
Dermott, T.
Hall, T.
Infériorité numérique 1
Hyman, Z.
Marner, M.
Bogosian, Z.
Brodie, T.
Infériorité numérique 2
Engvall, P.
Mikheyev, I.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.

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16 fév à 20 h 46
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They just have no use for any defensive prospects. Kerfoot isn’t really good at all, and Malgin, probably won’t be anything.
16 fév à 20 h 56
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Sabres want no part of this, Toronto dumps its garbage, its dumb. Start with Robertson, and they'll take Kerfoot+ to make the cap work
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16 fév à 21 h 38
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Sabres want no part of this, Toronto dumps its garbage, its dumb. Start with Robertson, and they'll take Kerfoot+ to make the cap work


No team In the whole league will give up their top prospect for a rental. Sabres would be all over this deal, not like they’re gonna make the playoffs anyways, they might as well get assets for their UFAs.
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16 fév à 21 h 44
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Quoting: Oodz
No team In the whole league will give up their top prospect for a rental. Sabres would be all over this deal, not like they’re gonna make the playoffs anyways, they might as well get assets for their UFAs.


The Sabres would sit on Hall or have better offers. This trade is terrible
16 fév à 21 h 55
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres would sit on Hall or have better offers. This trade is terrible


Fair, but it’s absurd to think that the leafs would offer Robertson for 3 months of hall
16 fév à 22 h 01
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Quoting: Oodz
Fair, but it’s absurd to think that the leafs would offer Robertson for 3 months of hall


could be the difference between 1 month and 3 months. You want a cup or a prospect
17 fév à 8 h 07
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres would sit on Hall or have better offers. This trade is terrible


It's a roster player, a prospect, and a first. He's a rental what more do you want
17 fév à 8 h 39
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Quoting: nobleknight77
It's a roster player, a prospect, and a first. He's a rental what more do you want


I want stuff the Sabres need, not a pile of trash that fits the generic offer criteria
17 fév à 9 h 31
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I want stuff the Sabres need, not a pile of trash that fits the generic offer criteria


I mean, this is basically what Arizona gave up for hall
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17 fév à 9 h 57
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Quoting: nobleknight77
I mean, this is basically what Arizona gave up for hall


Buffalo isnt Arizona, Buffalo has different wants, this isnt a hard concept
17 fév à 11 h 20
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Quoting: Sabres923
They just have no use for any defensive prospects. Kerfoot isn’t really good at all, and Malgin, probably won’t be anything.


Quoting: Shibbal18
Sabres want no part of this, Toronto dumps its garbage, its dumb. Start with Robertson, and they'll take Kerfoot+ to make the cap work


So...
You'd rather have Hall stay in Buffalo for the remainder of the year, where the team is almost certainly going to miss the playoffs and Hall will leave at the end of the year, instead of getting some decent return for him? You're not getting more than this from the leafs. This is the max any team is paying for Hall.
17 fév à 11 h 51
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Quoting: Saskleaf
So...
You'd rather have Hall stay in Buffalo for the remainder of the year, where the team is almost certainly going to miss the playoffs and Hall will leave at the end of the year, instead of getting some decent return for him? You're not getting more than this from the leafs. This is the max any team is paying for Hall.

Probably but you can get different prospects and a different roster player. From a different team. Toronto shouldn’t worry about getting Hall. They need to get another goalie like Raanta, because we all know Andersen won’t show up come playoff time.
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17 fév à 11 h 58
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Quoting: Saskleaf
So...
You'd rather have Hall stay in Buffalo for the remainder of the year, where the team is almost certainly going to miss the playoffs and Hall will leave at the end of the year, instead of getting some decent return for him? You're not getting more than this from the leafs. This is the max any team is paying for Hall.


If something decent is offered I would take it. Kerfoot isnt it. Kerfoot also costs 3.5 mill and is locked in for 3 more years, so if nothing changes after he comes to Buffalo, theyre stuck with him eating up more indispensable cap... So yes Id rather have Hall walk, if this is the best offer Buffalo can get for him
17 fév à 11 h 59
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Quoting: Shibbal18
If something decent is offered I would take it. Kerfoot isnt it. Kerfoot also costs 3.5 mill and is locked in for 3 more years, so if nothing changes after he comes to Buffalo, theyre stuck with him eating up more indispensable cap... So yes Id rather have Hall walk, if this is the best offer Buffalo can get for him


Kerfoot is the 3rd most valuable piece in this trade going to Buffalo...
17 fév à 12 h 01
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Kerfoot is the 3rd most valuable piece in this trade going to Buffalo...


Liljegren wont make the Sabres roster and a late 1st, at best, is a decent player in 4-5 years
17 fév à 12 h 03
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Liljegren wont make the Sabres roster and a late 1st, at best, is a decent player in 4-5 years


I mean, it's not like the sabres are in "win now" mode haha.
17 fév à 12 h 05
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I mean, it's not like the sabres are in "win now" mode haha.


Theyre in get better now mode, they arent rebuilding
17 fév à 12 h 07
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Theyre in get better now mode, they arent rebuilding


I guess... But they aren't going to win this season, and Hall will leave next season, so... why would they turn it down? That's bad asset management.
17 fév à 12 h 13
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I guess... But they aren't going to win this season, and Hall will leave next season, so... why would they turn it down? That's bad asset management.


Theirs no assets, youre giving Buffalo a 3.5 mill cap penalty, an AHL D man, a depth forward and aa late first which will statistically, probably end up a depth forward. Their would also be better offers even if he wasnt on the market.
17 fév à 12 h 34
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Theirs no assets, youre giving Buffalo a 3.5 mill cap penalty, an AHL D man, a depth forward and aa late first which will statistically, probably end up a depth forward. Their would also be better offers even if he wasnt on the market.


Kerfoot is still a good 3rd liner even if he is overpaid, Liligeren is 20 and will at least be a bottom paring guy, likely top 4, and the first is whatever Buffalo want with the pick, which is undecided now of course. But whatever, keep him and let him walk, Toronto can get a cheaper top 6 winger anyway.
17 fév à 12 h 40
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Kerfoot is still a good 3rd liner even if he is overpaid, Liligeren is 20 and will at least be a bottom paring guy, likely top 4, and the first is whatever Buffalo want with the pick, which is undecided now of course. But whatever, keep him and let him walk, Toronto can get a cheaper top 6 winger anyway.


Sabres have 7 good 3rd liners. Liljegren is already behind Risto, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller, Borgen, and Laaksonen and the Sabres still have Ryan Johnson to sign
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18 fév à 8 h 16
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Sabres have 7 good 3rd liners. Liljegren is already behind Risto, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller, Borgen, and Laaksonen and the Sabres still have Ryan Johnson to sign


I mean, It's not like we offered Vladimir sobotka, Patrick berglund, and tage thompson.
 
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