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Unrealistic Garland Trades

Créé par: desertdog111
Date de création initiale: fév 15, 2021
Publié: 15 fév à 16 h 45
Équipe: 2020-21 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Explications
I’ve seen fans of these 3 teams make proposals for Garland fairly often on this website, and they’re all terrible. You are not getting a ppg player for a 3rd liner and a middling prospect. I am not exaggerating when I say that Garland is the best player that the Coyotes have put on the ice since they went to the conference finals in 2012. He is on a rockstar contract and with a ton of money coming off the books the coyotes will have no problem signing him to a bigger deal next year.

Now to the trades. You’ll notice I titled this post UNrealistic trades for Garland because that’s the point. The Coyotes will only trade him for a massive overpay. So save the comments about how unfair it is because that is literally the point. None of the trades will ever happen because of the asset cost to the trading team, and Coyotes will not accept anything less.
Transactions
ARI
  1. Hyman, Zach
  2. Amirov, Rodion [Liste de réserve]
  3. Sandin, Rasmus
  4. 2021 1e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
I’d be pissed if the coyotes made this deal. Toronto has the least appealing pieces that would even be conceivably available
TOR
  1. Garland, Conor
ARI
  1. Marino, John
  2. McCann, Jared
  3. Poulin, Samuel
  4. 2022 3e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. 2021 4e round pick (PIT)
Garland
ARI
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  3. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
EDM
    Garland
    Rachats de contrats
    • Michael Grabner: 833 333 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    TOR
    ARI
    CBJ
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    2022
    ARI
    ARI
    EDM
    ARI
    PIT
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    2023
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2981 500 000 $89 486 951 $196 951 $3 100 000 $-7 986 951 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Schmaltz, Nick
    5 850 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    ARI
    Keller, Clayton
    7 150 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 8
    ARI
    Brassard, Derick
    1 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Kessel, Phil
    6 800 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Hunt, Dryden
    750 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Larsson, Johan
    1 400 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Pitlick, Tyler
    1 750 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Hyman, Zach
    2 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hayton, Barrett
    894 167 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Fischer, Christian
    1 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    2 940 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Hayden, John
    750 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    1 175 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Poulin, Samuel
    894 167 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 3
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    ARI
    Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
    8 250 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    ARI
    Demers, Jason
    3 937 500 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    4 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Goligoski, Alex
    5 475 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Lyubushkin, Ilya
    1 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Raanta, Antti
    4 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hjalmarsson, Niklas
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hill, Adin
    800 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Chychrun, Jakob
    4 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Oesterle, Jordan
    1 400 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    894 167 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Marino, John
    925 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Bouchard, Evan
    863 333 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    ARI
    Hossa, Marián
    5 275 000 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Caggiula, Drake
    700 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Équipe de réserve
    ARI
    Capobianco, Kyle
    775 000 $ (0 $)
    DG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Gross, Jordan
    750 000 $ (0 $)
    DD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Fasching, Hudson
    737 500 $ (0 $)
    AD
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Ness, Aaron
    725 000 $ (0 $)
    DG
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Gauthier, Frédérik
    700 000 $ (0 $)
    C
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Chaput, Michael
    700 000 $ (0 $)
    C
    UFA - 1

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    15 fév à 16 h 48
    #1
    Wqrrior
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    I mean, you are right that a lot of trades for Garland on here are absolutely terrible.... but these are the opposite extreme. These all demand too much except for potentially the oilers trade, but the chances they make the trade are slim to none.
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    15 fév à 16 h 48
    #2
    In need of a laugh
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    The 4th round pick going to Pens in this exchange is truly a game changer.
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    15 fév à 16 h 52
    #3
    Gallagher for CPT
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    I remember seen this guy play in Moncton a couple years ago. He destroyed the Q in his last 2 years getting like 250 pts. He carried Moncton to the top even without a really good lineup wth him... I picked him on my pool as like a last pick/chance and everyone was like wth is this guy. It pays off so far...
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    15 fév à 16 h 56
    #4
    Banni
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    Wow. The amount of overhype Garland gets on this site is unreal. He's good, yes. But these prices are insane.

    Try again.
    15 fév à 17 h 00
    #5
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    I mean, you are right that a lot of trades for Garland on here are absolutely terrible.... but these are the opposite extreme. These all demand too much except for potentially the oilers trade, but the chances they make the trade are slim to none.


    Thats the point. It would take so much to even get the coyotes to consider dealing him. I had someone on here tell me that Kerfoot and Dermott plus a 4th would be a deal the coyotes “would be stupid to refuse”.

    I get that this is an annoying post but it annoys me to see the blind stupidity that this site breeds sometimes.
    15 fév à 17 h 03
    #6
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    I am all for a price correction on Garland...but we may be over-correcting a bit here.

    I'd say closer to...

    TOR- Sandin, Amirov
    PIT- Marino, Pouiln
    EDM- Bouchard, 2nd
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    15 fév à 17 h 03
    #7
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Wow. The amount of overhype Garland gets on this site is unreal. He's good, yes. But these prices are insane.

    Try again.


    Again, that’s the point of this post. The point was not to make a deal, it serves as a reality check to people trading peanuts for the Coyotes best player
    15 fév à 17 h 06
    #8
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I am all for a price correction on Garland...but we may be over-correcting a bit here.

    I'd say closer to...

    TOR- Sandin, Amirov
    PIT- Marino, Pouiln
    EDM- Bouchard, 2nd


    As a fan I’d be upset if they didn’t get more, but those are at least realistic. I’m definitely seeing through rose colored glasses when I think about his value, but I’m not exaggerating when I say that he’s the best player the coyotes have had in a decade
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    15 fév à 17 h 07
    #9
    Gallagher for CPT
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    Quoting: Tarlam01
    I remember seen this guy play in Moncton a couple years ago. He destroyed the Q in his last 2 years getting like 250 pts. He carried Moncton to the top even without a really good lineup wth him... I picked him on my pool as like a last pick/chance and everyone was like wth is this guy. It pays off so far...


    It was like Chabot (STJ) vs Girard and Beauvillier (SHA) vs Garland (MON)
    15 fév à 17 h 13
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    If you say Amirov and Sandin aren’t good prospects and Hyman isn’t a good player then you don’t watch the leafs. Sandin is a future top 4 Dman , Hyman is one the best players in the corners and Amirov looks like a future Mark Stone type player,
    15 fév à 17 h 17
    #11
    Banni
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    No thx from pit
    15 fév à 17 h 22
    #12
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    Quoting: Leafs_fan13
    If you say Amirov and Sandin aren’t good prospects and Hyman isn’t a good player then you don’t watch the leafs. Sandin is a future top 4 Dman , Hyman is one the best players in the corners and Amirov looks like a future Mark Stone type player,


    I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not well-versed in Toronto’s prospects. All I’m saying is given the choice I’d rather have the sure thing ppg player on a great contract than 2 wild cards and a player that has spent most of his career being centered by Matthews.
    15 fév à 17 h 22
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    As a fan I’d be upset if they didn’t get more, but those are at least realistic. I’m definitely seeing through rose colored glasses when I think about his value, but I’m not exaggerating when I say that he’s the best player the coyotes have had in a decade


    He will be a popular "offer-sheet" fantasy for teams this summer. I'm guessing their will be countless "1 second round pick" offers.

    Quoting: Leafs_fan13
    If you say Amirov and Sandin aren’t good prospects and Hyman isn’t a good player then you don’t watch the leafs. Sandin is a future top 4 Dman , Hyman is one the best players in the corners and Amirov looks like a future Mark Stone type player,


    The title of the thread was 'unrealistic trades'...but the point is valid one that Garland is one of the most underrated players in ACGM posts.
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    15 fév à 17 h 26
    #14
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    He will be a popular "offer-sheet" fantasy for teams this summer. I'm guessing their will be countless "1 second round pick" offers.


    Remind me not to come on this website this off-season. I’ll lose my goddamn mind
    15 fév à 17 h 26
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    He will be a popular "offer-sheet" fantasy for teams this summer. I'm guessing their will be countless "1 second round pick" offers.



    The title of the thread was 'unrealistic trades'...but the point is valid one that Garland is one of the most underrated players in ACGM posts.


    one of the most overrated players you mean. I don’t think teams are paying 2 top prospects and 1st for him.
    15 fév à 17 h 28
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    You know it's gonna be a banger when the op writes a novel about how they dont care hoq awful their trades look so "dont even bother telling me".
    Ima tell you anyway, these are hilarious. Puff puff pass bro
    15 fév à 17 h 30
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not well-versed in Toronto’s prospects. All I’m saying is given the choice I’d rather have the sure thing ppg player on a great contract than 2 wild cards and a player that has spent most of his career being centered by Matthews.


    This is the first season garland has even been close to ppg, he's 24. Calling it a sure thing is a bit much.
    15 fév à 17 h 32
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    You know it's gonna be a banger when the op writes a novel about how they dont care hoq awful their trades look so "dont even bother telling me".
    Ima tell you anyway, these are hilarious. Puff puff pass bro


    I have no idea what was said here
    15 fév à 17 h 34
    #19
    Banni
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    The Leafs don't need another Alex Kerfoot, especially for that price
    15 fév à 17 h 35
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    You know it's gonna be a banger when the op writes a novel about how they dont care hoq awful their trades look so "dont even bother telling me".
    Ima tell you anyway, these are hilarious. Puff puff pass bro


    Again, you’re missing the point if you think these are serious. The point is he is not getting traded. Have a nice day
    15 fév à 17 h 36
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I have no idea what was said here


    Simplified? Rambling about how you want stupid trade value for a guy and then telling people not to point out how stupid the trade value is is a great way for people to twll you your trade value is stupid.
    And id like some of what he's smoking if he thinks a 24 year old with 14 games at ppg isnt a dumb ask at 1/4 the stupid values
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    15 fév à 17 h 36
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    Quoting: BogoNorris
    The Leafs don't need another Alex Kerfoot, especially for that price


    I adore how little you know about players who arnt josh Anderson
    15 fév à 17 h 37
    #23
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    Quoting: BogoNorris
    The Leafs don't need another Alex Kerfoot, especially for that price


    That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. Props to you for having absolutely zero awareness of what’s happening south of the border this season
    15 fév à 17 h 37
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Again, you’re missing the point if you think these are serious. The point is he is not getting traded. Have a nice day


    I think you are missing the point. This is a board qhere trades are discussed. We are discussing your ober reaction to what you've seen as under payments
    15 fév à 17 h 37
    #25
    Banni
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Again, that’s the point of this post. The point was not to make a deal, it serves as a reality check to people trading peanuts for the Coyotes best player


    So you're rationale is to drastically overpay? Absolutely terrible post.
     
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