I said that SOMETIMES we lose games because we are physically beaten, this is not only about this season, but also the past, and under Housley it was also. Virtanen might be a good addition too, but he's already in this thread. We do not trade Montour for Reaves one for one, we add some parts that may be useful for our roster and in particular physical strength and give the best conditions for the development of Jokiharju, Dahlin and possibly Borgen.

This description is all the reason for Vegas to say no.

Fair

Deslauriers has been a great 4th liner, John Scott played on a team where Steve Ott was one of their top scoring forwards. Nolan was not a tough guy, youre right, and Bogosian was an absolute band aid. Reaves doesnt even have bad analytics he has better analytics than Okposo and Sheahan, so you dont even have a point to prove. Nothing I said is based in feeling, its provable across the board, only keyboard warriors are invested that much into analytics that they ignore every aspect of the game. All you have are a select group of numbers that still show he would be an improvement anyway



Take out statistical outliers, that happens often. Im sorry I guess I missed the seasons where Gaudreau and Point were stapled to the bench on the 4th line because CGY wanted more scoring forwards for the "New NHL"

Reaves is bad analytically. He is in the bottom percentile of pretty much everything. His team plays exceptionally better when he's off the ice. There's really no reason to give a guy like him ice time. He's a below replacement level player at this point. That doesn't help our team at all. But he's tough I guess.

"Nothing I said is based in feeling, its provable across the board, only keyboard warriors are invested that much into analytics that they ignore every aspect of the game. All you have are a select group of numbers that still show he would be an improvement anyway"

The only keyboard warrior is you. You seem to get really upset when someone brings up metrics that have more specificity and predictability than your basic stats. Nothing shows that Ryan Reaves has a positive impact on the ice for a team. It's just you feel that his "toughness" is a boost, when nothing shows that.

The facts are that we are a below average team goaltender wise. The facts are Hutton has been a bottom of the league goalie for the past 2 years. You don't get to take bad games out because they don't fit your narrative. All you seemingly do is cherry pick really small sample sizes.

I guess I missed that the 5'9 Gaudreau and 5'9 Point aren't tough enough to play in "your NHL". Guys like them won't last like apparently Arttu wouldn't be able to make it in the bottom 6. Need more big oafs with little skill

I'm fine trading Montour, but as a result of this trade, we are adding Reaves to the roster and giving him ice time. A player that drags down his teammates. The whole team plays exceptionally better when he's off the ice. He's exactly what the team doesn't need.

Ok try to replace Reaves with Bennett, I don't care.

Then why'd you respond?

Because this was a full trade Montour (RD) for Holden (LD) + Reaves + 3rd what I think would help our team at this stage.

I mean im the one who backed my comments up with stats and facts, youre just making claims and hoping no one looks it up.
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And for some reason you think Im defending Hutton, because I said their over all goaltending hasnt been that bad. So yeah lets put Ruotsalainen in a 10 minute a game defensive role, I'm sure he wont be on the first flight back to Finland. You are specifically who I am talking about with this title

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He's a negative to his team, a below replacement level player, and his play is trending downwards. We already have some bad players on the team. We don't need more.

You're the one who brought up Hutton with your cherry picking. Facts are that we're below average goaltending.

I would much rather have Arttu over some bum like Ryan Reaves who we'd be paying for another year.