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11 févr. 2021 à 14 h 45
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Does that Vegas trade really make us better now or in the future? I think I would rather hang on to Montour and lose him for nothing than force a trade like this.
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Does that Vegas trade really make us better now or in the future? I think I would rather hang on to Montour and lose him for nothing than force a trade like this.


Right now, because Montour is useless to us, he is not good for playing with Dahlin, he cannot play well on LD, he is not good on PP and not too good on PK. At the same time, Jokiharju has to play LD due to too many RDs. Also Reaves is the jackhammer we are missing. Moreover, we are unlikely to get much for Montour in TDL, or he will simply leave for free in the summer.
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 1
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 6
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Does that Vegas trade really make us better now or in the future? I think I would rather hang on to Montour and lose him for nothing than force a trade like this.


I love Reaves
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 7
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Right now, because Montour is useless to us, he is not good for playing with Dahlin, he cannot play well on LD, he is not good on PP and not too good on PK. At the same time, Jokiharju has to play LD due to too many RDs. Also Reaves is the jackhammer we are missing. Moreover, we are unlikely to get much for Montour in TDL, or he will simply leave for free in the summer.


I just don't see a "jackhammer" making this team better. I think if we wanted to upgrade the 4th line we could with more effective players than reaves. Even if we do not get much for Montour I'm ok with that. I think that his lackluster play i would rather deal with then to try acquire other teams lackluster players and mess around with all the covid regulations.

If we make a move I would just hope it has more of a purpose than this.
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 8
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I just don't see a "jackhammer" making this team better. I think if we wanted to upgrade the 4th line we could with more effective players than reaves. Even if we do not get much for Montour I'm ok with that. I think that his lackluster play i would rather deal with then to try acquire other teams lackluster players and mess around with all the covid regulations.

If we make a move I would just hope it has more of a purpose than this.


When Risto dominated Philly physically, they beat Philly 6-1 and Philly was off the whole night. The next night Philly came out p!ssed and dominated the Sabres, Sabres lost 3-0
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 12
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Right now, because Montour is useless to us, he is not good for playing with Dahlin, he cannot play well on LD, he is not good on PP and not too good on PK. At the same time, Jokiharju has to play LD due to too many RDs. Also Reaves is the jackhammer we are missing. Moreover, we are unlikely to get much for Montour in TDL, or he will simply leave for free in the summer.


The team is missing a few things and Reaves definitely isn't one of them.
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 14
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I just don't see a "jackhammer" making this team better. I think if we wanted to upgrade the 4th line we could with more effective players than reaves. Even if we do not get much for Montour I'm ok with that. I think that his lackluster play i would rather deal with then to try acquire other teams lackluster players and mess around with all the covid regulations.

If we make a move I would just hope it has more of a purpose than this.

I mean, sometimes we really need a player like Reaves in the lineup, but that's not even the point, we still get 3rd and Holden. I'm sure we need to trade Montour or Miller for LD deal so that Borgen can get a chance and Jokiharju can play RD, and a player like Holden is much more suited to playing Jokiharju than Montour or Miller. Or we could try Joki with Dahlin again.
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 17
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The team is missing a few things and Reaves definitely isn't one of them.


Our star players look lethargic and lifeless, Reaves is exactly what they need
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 17
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canucks decline. We dont need any more mid to bottem six players we need defence.Jake will/should be used as part ofa trade to upgrade our D in my opinion.
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The team is missing a few things and Reaves definitely isn't one of them.


I don’t agree that. When they start playing against us physically, we sometimes melt like butter, I also don’t like that players of other teams can calmly offend our young players and they know that they will not get anything for it. I don’t want Eichel or Dahlin to go into the fray to stand up for themselves, it’s not helpful. But Reaves could answer for them, I'm sure he will be more useful than the current Okposo, which now looks awful. Holden + 3rd too useful things, I also don't care where Montour and Miller are, I don't see them in our the team next season.
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canucks decline. We dont need any more mid to bottem six players we need defence.Jake will/should be used as part ofa trade to upgrade our D in my opinion.


Ill offer Montour or Miller, but when I do people complain about cap, so I figured I'd save you cap
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 31
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I don’t agree that. When they start playing against us physically, we sometimes melt like butter, I also don’t like that players of other teams can calmly offend our young players and they know that they will not get anything for it. I don’t want Eichel or Dahlin to go into the fray to stand up for themselves, it’s not helpful. But Reaves could answer for them, I'm sure he will be more useful than the current Okposo, which now looks awful. Holden + 3rd too useful things, I also don't care where Montour and Miller are, I don't see them in our the team next season.


This isn't the 90s. Low skilled grinders are pretty much usless. You say Montour is usless because he doesn't play PP/PK, but Reaves doesn't either. We don't need some guy that can only play 10 minutes and doesn't offer much else except dumb penalties and fighting. If you want tough forecheckers get some guys with actual skill.
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Our star players look lethargic and lifeless, Reaves is exactly what they need


What we need is better goaltending, not some low skilled grinder. If you want some tough guy to take dumb penalties and fight just bring Dalton Smith up.
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 37
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This isn't the 90s. Low skilled grinders are pretty much usless. You say Montour is usless because he doesn't play PP/PK, but Reaves doesn't either. We don't need some guy that can only play 10 minutes and doesn't offer much else except dumb penalties and fighting. If you want tough forecheckers get some guys with actual skill.


Reaves has 10 games, 7 penalty minutes (thats 2 penalties) and 42 hits. The whole this isnt the 90s theory has long been debunked as well.
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What we need is better goaltending, not some low skilled grinder. If you want some tough guy to take dumb penalties and fight just bring Dalton Smith up.


If you drop Huttons first game the Sabres are in the middle of the pack when it comes to goaltending. Bet you still think Risto is a bad player too
11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 43
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This isn't the 90s. Low skilled grinders are pretty much usless. You say Montour is usless because he doesn't play PP/PK, but Reaves doesn't either. We don't need some guy that can only play 10 minutes and doesn't offer much else except dumb penalties and fighting. If you want tough forecheckers get some guys with actual skill.


Again, I disagree that Reaves will be useless. He could very well be a decent fourth line player and score some points. We definitely lack rigidity. Of course, we could try to find a player who plays tough and can still fight and still score points, but do you know where to get them and how much will they cost? No one will give us Wilson from Washington or Tkachuk brothers. Again, sometimes we lose games because we are physically beaten and our team cannot respond and becomes pinched, Reaves could help to some extent and he is still a more useful player than Dalton Smith.
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11 févr. 2021 à 15 h 43
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Reaves has 10 games, 7 penalty minutes (thats 2 penalties) and 42 hits. The whole this isnt the 90s theory has long been debunked as well.


What has been debunked lmao? Hell of a sample size you got there bud. Reaves would have the most penalty minutes on our team the last 2 years while offering not much else. Some huge horrible penalties he took in the playoffs too. But I guess he brings life to the team? Like all that life Simmonds was going to bring to the team.
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What has been debunked lmao? Hell of a sample size you got there bud. Reaves would have the most penalty minutes on our team the last 2 years while offering not much else. Some huge horrible penalties he took in the playoffs too. But I guess he brings life to the team? Like all that life Simmonds was going to bring to the team.


Reaves and Simmonds are not comparable players. Simmonds wasnt brought in to be a physical presence he was brought in for his attitude. Not only that he had like 5 games and was exceling in Toronto this year. I dont remember Reaves taking any bad penalties, I remember Eakin getting called for one and I remember Reaves scoring in the conference finals. I cant remember the last Sabres to score in the conference finals. Good teams play tough, analytic darling teams get trampled. This has been proven time and time again. TB got bounced in the first round, They go out and get Maroon, Coleman, and Goodrow then win the cup. Toronto constantly bounced in the first round. Sabres havent had tough players since Foligno and even thats a stretch, but theyve also accomplished nothing without them. Hockey evolved and so did tough players, they are still relied upon as much as they were before
11 févr. 2021 à 16 h 4
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If you drop Huttons first game the Sabres are in the middle of the pack when it comes to goaltending. Bet you still think Risto is a bad player too


Middle of the pack compared to what? We're 25th in the league at 5v5 save percentage & bottom of the league in Goals Saved Above Expected. Our netminders are constantly letting in easy goals.

And that's so dumb lol. If you take away his bad games he's pretty good! LMAO

No, Risto is playing well so far. What does that have to do with anything?
11 févr. 2021 à 16 h 10
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Middle of the pack compared to what? We're 25th in the league at 5v5 save percentage & bottom of the league in Goals Saved Above Expected. Our netminders are constantly letting in easy goals.

And that's so dumb lol. If you take away his bad games he's pretty good! LMAO

No, Risto is playing well so far. What does that have to do with anything?


We also really need a goalie, but now it seems to me it will be difficult to find at least a good backup, since almost all teams in the race for the playoffs will not want to trade their goaltenders who play well. Adams was supposed to replace Hutton in the offseason, but he didn't and was wrong. The team even plays differently when Hutton is in goal, while Ullmark does not.
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Middle of the pack compared to what? We're 25th in the league at 5v5 save percentage & bottom of the league in Goals Saved Above Expected. Our netminders are constantly letting in easy goals.

And that's so dumb lol. If you take away his bad games he's pretty good! LMAO

No, Risto is playing well so far. What does that have to do with anything?


Thats clearly not what I said, theirs no reason to gaslight. If you take away his clearly outlier of a game at the start of the year that has skewed all the numbers, their goals against average is in the middle of the pack. Also adding a physical player does help this any way, as I pointed out before: Risto beat up Philly physically, took them off their game - Sabres win 6-1, Philly next night comes out mad, beats up the Sabres - Sabres lose 3-0. But no we should stick 5'9 Ruotsalainen on the 4th line, thats a perfect use of his talents, thats how teams win in "ThE nEw NhL"
11 févr. 2021 à 16 h 22
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Reaves and Simmonds are not comparable players. Simmonds wasnt brought in to be a physical presence he was brought in for his attitude. Not only that he had like 5 games and was exceling in Toronto this year. I dont remember Reaves taking any bad penalties, I remember Eakin getting called for one and I remember Reaves scoring in the conference finals. I cant remember the last Sabres to score in the conference finals. Good teams play tough, analytic darling teams get trampled. This has been proven time and time again. TB got bounced in the first round, They go out and get Maroon, Coleman, and Goodrow then win the cup. Toronto constantly bounced in the first round. Sabres havent had tough players since Foligno and even thats a stretch, but theyve also accomplished nothing without them. Hockey evolved and so did tough players, they are still relied upon as much as they were before


People literally said the same thing about Simmonds that you're saying about Reaves. Simmonds at the very least had some ability on the PP though.

Tough teams are analytically good teams. Maroon, Goodrow, and Coleman aren't useless grinders lmao. Those 3 were good analytically. You're kinda proving my point.

What's even considered a tough player to you? Was Bogosian not a tough guy? Was Jordan Nolan not a tough guy? What about John Scott? Or Deslauriers? Our team must've been so good with all these tough guys over the years.

This really just comes off as upset boomer yelling at the clouds. You seem to just go off how you feel compared to reality.
11 févr. 2021 à 16 h 28
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Thats clearly not what I said, theirs no reason to gaslight. If you take away his clearly outlier of a game at the start of the year that has skewed all the numbers, their goals against average is in the middle of the pack. Also adding a physical player does help this any way, as I pointed out before: Risto beat up Philly physically, took them off their game - Sabres win 6-1, Philly next night comes out mad, beats up the Sabres - Sabres lose 3-0. But no we should stick 5'9 Ruotsalainen on the 4th line, thats a perfect use of his talents, thats how teams win in "ThE nEw NhL"


You clearly said take out the worst game of the season. That's just stupid.

It's a not clear outlier. It's how he's played the last 2 years. You want to cherry pick to fit your narrative.

Adding a tough skilled player helps. Not a useless 4th line grinder.

" But no we should stick 5'9 Ruotsalainen on the 4th line, thats a perfect use of his talents, thats how teams win in "ThE nEw NhL"

Yea who even needs talented players now a days. Johnny Gaudreau or Brayden Point? They're not tough enough. Let's get John Scott back, call up Kaleta, maybe get Rob Ray out of the booth. We'll be unstoppable. Such a tough team. Nobody's gonna mess with us now!
11 févr. 2021 à 16 h 35
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Again, I disagree that Reaves will be useless. He could very well be a decent fourth line player and score some points. We definitely lack rigidity. Of course, we could try to find a player who plays tough and can still fight and still score points, but do you know where to get them and how much will they cost? No one will give us Wilson from Washington or Tkachuk brothers. Again, sometimes we lose games because we are physically beaten and our team cannot respond and becomes pinched, Reaves could help to some extent and he is still a more useful player than Dalton Smith.


We're not losing because we are getting physically beaten. We're losing because a lack of scoring from our top 6 / good goaltending.

There's nothing showing that Reaves will be beneficial to this team. There's plenty of tougher players who forecheck with some skill. Go after Sam Bennett if you want. Hell try to maybe get Virtanen back on track.
 
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