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Trading William Nylander For Fun

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 6 févr. 2021
Publié: 6 févr. 2021
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 27
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Quoting: TheFlamingC
Career stats are irrelevant. 2 years is the Max you can go in any argument. I’ll do 18-19 ere do to a 10 game sample size this year

Lindholm 18-19 prorated 82 games: 79 points and 27 goals
19-20 82 games: 77 points and 34 goals
20-21 pace: 90 points and 16 goals

Nylander 18-19 82 games: 41 points and 11 goals
19-20 82 games: 71 points and 37 goals
20-21 pace: 89 points and 30 goals


I just died laughing at that actually.

What career stats aren't relevant because it doesn't work in your favour? lol ok.
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 27
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
My dude, relevancy went off the table the moment you tried to playoff chirp me.


Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Bahahaha selke talks



Look at you tracking down my other comments now, I really got under ya there eh J boy?! “My dude” you wanna talk about relevance when you’re living in 2002. Youre a goober son.
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 28
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Lol. Not the best stat, but when it's this big of a difference it says something:

Nylander is a career +13
Lindholm is a career -47

So I mean maybe you need to show Lindholm where the defensive zone is at before you consider teaching Nylander. At least he knows where to be


+- is idiotic but if we’re gonna do this we might as well do it right. Lindholm since 18-19 is +23. Nylander is -5.
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 29
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I just died laughing at that actually.

What career stats aren't relevant because it doesn't work in your favour? lol ok.


It’s irrelevant to compare stats from 3 years ago. It’s called improvement
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 30
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Look at you tracking down my other comments now, I really got under ya there eh J boy?! “My dude” you wanna talk about relevance when you’re living in 2002. Youre a goober son.


Reading the comments in a thread ive been participating in is tracking down your comments? M6 goodness the self importance.
With defensiveness like that you must be in selke talks
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 30
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What's idiotic is ignoring a guys full career because it doesn't benefit your point. But sure. Let's go with what you say because it'll help you sleep at night. 😂

Above comment. I M P R O V E M E N T
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 32
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It’s irrelevant to compare stats from 3 years ago. It’s called improvement


No, its called cherry picking because you get to use a tiny one year 10 game sample size for your guy to juice his numbers and the other guys worst year
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 34
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Quoting: TheFlamingC
It’s irrelevant to compare stats from 3 years ago. It’s called improvement


Lol, and if Lindholm never turned out as good as he was in Calgary, you'd be saying that 3 years ago was relevant 😂
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 34
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Reading the comments in a thread ive been participating in is tracking down your comments? M6 goodness the self importance.
With defensiveness like that you must be in selke talks


You’re obsessed son. It’s not my fault you’ve put me on this pedestal! That’s a you issue.
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 35
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Lol, and if Lindholm never turned out as good as he was in Calgary, you'd be saying that 3 years ago was relevant 😂


I’ve literally never argued and never will argue with stats from 3 years ago as they are irrelevant. I align my opinions with facts as opposed to picking and choosing facts to support my opinions
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 38
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I’ve literally never argued and never will argue with stats from 3 years ago as they are irrelevant. I align my opinions with facts as opposed to picking and choosing facts to support my opinions


lol. Ok. Go to sleep now. 😂
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 40
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Nylander (career): 0.73 PPG
Lindholm (career): 0.62 PPG

Nylander: 1 career 30+ goal season
Lindholm: 0 career 30+ goal seasons

Nylander (career): 11.5% shooting percentage - 18.2% this season
Lindholm (career): 11.1% shooting percentage - 7.7% this season

Nylander (career): +13+/-
Lindholm (career): -47+/-
I know this isn't the best stat, but when it's that's significant of a difference it says something about their play style)

Nylander (career): 50.8% faceoff percentage - 50% this season
Lindholm (career): 52.4% faceoff percentage - 50.63% this season

Not to mention Nylander's analytics are much better than Lindholm's over the past 3 seasons.


I'm not saying Nylander is miles better than Lindholm, but he is better.


Love how you include his numbers on the Canes.

Lets base those stats off his time in Calgary and see what we get
PPG: 0.89
Goal's high: 29 (in a shortened season, nice nitpick there LMAO)
S%: 15.4
+/-: +23
FO%: 51.9% (faceoffs aren't a great indicator of if someone is good at center. Especially when 1 has taken more than twice as many FO's)
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 42
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lol. Ok. Go to sleep now. 😂


Why are you being so unnecessarily disrespectful. I never attacked you. I am right. I’ll put it this way. Who is better? Nylander or Gaudreau. Obviously Gaudreau is better. Gaudreau is universally considered by Calgary fans as worse than Lindholm
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
I just died laughing at that actually.

What career stats aren't relevant because it doesn't work in your favour? lol ok.



Career stats a lot of the time aren’t accurate reflections. For example, I saw on Twitter comparing nylander to Mackinnon through the same age and the “career stats” favoured nylander. Does that mean he’s going to develop into a player as good as mackinnon? Absolutely not. It’s just stupid click bait and using numbers in their favour to support their argument. “Numbers don’t lie, people lie with numbers”
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Love how you include his numbers on the Canes.

Lets base those stats off his time in Calgary and see what we get
PPG: 0.89
Goal's high: 29 (in a shortened season, nice nitpick there LMAO)
S%: 15.4
+/-: +23
FO%: 51.9% (faceoffs aren't a great indicator of if someone is good at center. Especially when 1 has taken more than twice as many FO's)


A career is based on all the teams a guy plays for, so yea Carolina would be included. Trying to say that career numbers don't matter might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. Hands down is.
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 46
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Career stats a lot of the time aren’t accurate reflections. For example, I saw on Twitter comparing nylander to Mackinnon through the same age and the “career stats” favoured nylander. Does that mean he’s going to develop into a player as good as mackinnon? Absolutely not. It’s just stupid click bait and using numbers in their favour to support their argument. “Numbers don’t lie, people lie with numbers”


This is amusing as hell since the other guy was lying through his teeth with those numbers
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 48
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Career stats a lot of the time aren’t accurate reflections. For example, I saw on Twitter comparing nylander to Mackinnon through the same age and the “career stats” favoured nylander. Does that mean he’s going to develop into a player as good as mackinnon? Absolutely not. It’s just stupid click bait and using numbers in their favour to support their argument. “Numbers don’t lie, people lie with numbers”


It's saying he's on the same trajectory path as MacKinnon. Could he turn out to be as good? Sure he could. He also might not. But at Nylander's age for MacKinnon many people were wondering what he would turn out to be. Some thought he'd be a bust of a 1st overall pick. He worked on his weaknesses and exploded. Nylander could certainly work on his and put up the kinda points MacKinnon does. The big thing there is that MacKinnon is the go to guy, Nylander isn't. If he got more touches he could put up 100 points, you don't know
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 50
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
My goodness you're easy


Jared sweet heart I’m literally running circles in your head recreationally at this point. If your only dismal effort is “you’re easy” then I’m sorry I’ve beaten you into the pathetic submission. I genuinely thought you were better, I’ve seen you get mentally assaulted in here many times but I actually feel bad at this point. Sorry J man. I’d like to say it’ll get better for you but I genuinely have doubts.
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 50
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A career is based on all the teams a guy plays for, so yea Carolina would be included. Trying to say that career numbers don't matter might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. Hands down is.


You used +/- as an argument! he was -70 in Carolina, a team that was widely considered crap and drafted 3rd overall that year. You also used "# of 30 goal seasons" as an argument but conveniently so that Lindholm's 29 goals in 70 games wouldn't qualify.

Lindholm is a lot closer to Marner than he is to Nylander.
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It's saying he's on the same trajectory path as MacKinnon. Could he turn out to be as good? Sure he could. He also might not. But at Nylander's age for MacKinnon many people were wondering what he would turn out to be. Some thought he'd be a bust of a 1st overall pick. He worked on his weaknesses and exploded. Nylander could certainly work on his and put up the kinda points MacKinnon does. The big thing there is that MacKinnon is the go to guy, Nylander isn't. If he got more touches he could put up 100 points, you don't know


Oh my god you seriously think NyLAnDEr could be anywhere close to the type of player MacKinnon is? Get real. I was trying to be nice to you and not call you out on how wrong u were this entire argument. Now it’s clear you are a lost cause. Nylander is a comparable player to Lindholm (though I think Lindholm is better). He will NEVER be a comparable player to Mackinnon
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6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 54
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You used +/- as an argument! he was -70 in Carolina, a team that was widely considered crap and drafted 3rd overall that year. You also used "# of 30 goal seasons" as an argument but conveniently so that Lindholm's 29 goals in 70 games wouldn't qualify.

Lindholm is a lot closer to Marner than he is to Nylander.


I just died laughing.

You talk about how bad the Carolina team was yet you don't even mention how bad defensively the Leafs have been for Nylander's entire career and the fact that Lindholm moves to a better defensively coached and team but that somehow negates his defensive deficiencies?

I get it, people hate Nylander. But he's not as bad as people think.
6 févr. 2021 à 18 h 57
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Oh my god you seriously think NyLAnDEr could be anywhere close to the type of player MacKinnon is? Get real. I was trying to be nice to you and not call you out on how wrong u were this entire argument. Now it’s clear you are a lost cause. Nylander is a comparable player to Lindholm (though I think Lindholm is better). He will NEVER be a comparable player to Mackinnon


You seriously can't read and resort to insulting people? I clearly said he could turn out to be that good, and he could not. I said Nylander needed to work on his weaknesses and get more touches to get to MacKinnon's level. But I never once said that Nylander would be as good as MacKinnon.

So before you start insulting people and calling them a "lost cause", learn to read kid. It helps.
6 févr. 2021 à 19 h 1
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You seriously can't read and resort to insulting people? I clearly said he could turn out to be that good, and he could not. I said Nylander needed to work on his weaknesses and get more touches to get to MacKinnon's level. But I never once said that Nylander would be as good as MacKinnon.

So before you start insulting people and calling them a "lost cause", learn to read kid. It helps.


The fact that you even said NyLAnDEr “could” turn into mackinnon is just mind boggling. The odds of that happening are less than 1%. The people like you who overrate Nylander SO MUCH, are worse than the boomers who constantly **** on him and want him traded.

Both at the polar opposites of the spectrum, and both wrong
6 févr. 2021 à 19 h 1
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I just died laughing.

You talk about how bad the Carolina team was yet you don't even mention how bad defensively the Leafs have been for Nylander's entire career and the fact that Lindholm moves to a better defensively coached and team but that somehow negates his defensive deficiencies?

I get it, people hate Nylander. But he's not as bad as people think.


What? Ryan O'Reilly was -23 his last year in Buffalo (the same year they picked 1st overall), gets traded to St. Louis and wins the Selke. He still has a negative +/- to this day. Does that mean he had defensive deficiencies and is not actually good defensively as well?

Nylander is not a bad player, but he is bad defensively having 60% offensive zone starts on average should be a pretty clear indicator of that.
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Jared sweet heart I’m literally running circles in your head recreationally at this point. If your only dismal effort is “you’re easy” then I’m sorry I’ve beaten you into the pathetic submission. I genuinely thought you were better, I’ve seen you get mentally assaulted in here many times but I actually feel bad at this point. Sorry J man. I’d like to say it’ll get better for you but I genuinely have doubts.


Uh huh, ok dude i know that selke jab basically sunk your battleship, but the fact that you didn't even last 2 comments talking about hockey before you started to get red mad and nude online is pretty telling on who is doing laps.
Look at the paragraph response i got from 2 words!
It is sad that you probably think you're doing well here
 
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