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Four trades building prospect depth

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Équipe: 2020-21 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 2 févr. 2021
Publié: 2 févr. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
A random mix of trades using ideas from elsewhere. Some were based on offers from other team. NJD goal is using tradable assets and cap space to build some prospect depth (instead of stockpiling picks or adding veterans). No A-listers in this prospect group, but all solid future role players.

NJD GIVES:
- Kyle Palmieri (RW)
- Will Butcher (LHD)
- Dmitri Kulikov (LHD)
- 2021 4th pick
- $5.5 million in cap space

NJD GETS
- Mattias Norlinder (LHD)
- Bode Wilde (RHD)
- Daniel Torgersson (LW)
- Johnny Beecher (LHC)
- 2021 1st pick (MTL)
- 2021 3rd pick (BOS)

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Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Norlinder, Mattias [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Armia in here for salary reasons. Norlinder could be swapped with a number of guys (Poehling, Fleury, Primeau, Mete, Guhle, Caufield)
MTL
  1. Palmieri, Kyle (2 325 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Palmieri without extension, but with salary 50% retained. Ends up as $275,000 in savings for MTL. And adding late pick here that NJD could probably receive by flipping Armia.
2.
NJD
  1. Komarov, Leo
  2. Wilde, Bode
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Original offer was Leo and two picks, but am adding a prospect instead of one of the picks. Wilde would be first choice, but could also see Salo (or Bolduc with higher pick attached).
NYI
  1. Butcher, Will
Détails additionnels:
Will Butcher is still solid puck-moving middle pair LHD. Would probably play PP2 here. Maybe pair with Mayfield for 5v5. The biggest challenge for NYI may be having to leave him (or another d-man) exposed in expansion draft.
3.
NJD
  1. Perreault, Mathieu
  2. Torgersson, Daniel [Liste de réserve]
Détails additionnels:
Perreault is salary dump. Torgersson would be the target for this deal.
WPG
  1. Armia, Joel (1 300 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Armia flipped at 50% retained. Net salary savings for WPG would be $2,825,000 (annualized).
4.
NJD
  1. Beecher, John [Liste de réserve]
  2. Moore, John (750 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
NJD takes Moore on small discount to be 7th or 8th d-man. And adds a b-level prospect.
BOS
  1. Kulikov, Dmitry
  2. Perreault, Mathieu (2 062 500 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Boston is getting a better LHD, a cheap short-term winger for bottom-six and long-term salary relief on Moore
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $67 249 164 $0 $4 047 500 $14 250 836 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
C
UFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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775 833 $775 833 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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714 166 $714 166 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
AD
UFA - 1
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811 666 $811 666 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
AG, C
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
C
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
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4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 3
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700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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800 000 $800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
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700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DD
UFA - 1
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809 167 $809 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
C, AG
RFA - 2
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874 125 $874 125 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AD, C
UFA - 1
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817 500 $817 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
G
RFA - 1
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795 000 $795 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DG
RFA - 3

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2 févr. 2021 à 11 h 34
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
(always get Jones and Werenski mixed up - never remember who is right and who is left)

So you're saying Boston may be in the market for cheap LHD rental? Or no? Because the expansion draft concern would lead me to believe they would want a rental.

Personally, I wouldn't pay current price on Dunn or Hanifin, but if you can get Ekholm, might be worth exposing Grz and hope you can work out deal with Seattle later.



Doubt it. Depends on health at deadline. They might give up a 4th or 5th for a rental depth piece if they feel it’s necessary. But they can use Moore for that. None of the low end 3rd pair type that everyone keeps trying to trade B’s on here would step into the lineup over what they have already. The whole idea was to let Lauzon and Zboril play after being buried for 5 years behind a deep LD. They are not benching them for bottom pair vet.
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2 févr. 2021 à 11 h 39
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Palmieri gets at least a first + prospect


previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."
2 févr. 2021 à 11 h 51
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previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."


That’s true. But it’s still price someone will pay. His slump doesn’t mean NJD sells him cheap.

I would think if Carolina put up a very good prospect alone (like Jarvis), or a decent prospect (Bokk, Honka) plus 2nd/3rd...NJD wouldn’t flinch before accepting (assuming they don’t resign him first).

I just don’t know who canes view as expendable.
2 févr. 2021 à 12 h 5
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Earlier, you said NJD wasn't offered a 1st. Now you say it was your team that offered the 1st. Regardless, I do remember reports that Devils GM was very high on Bjork, wanted a 1st and prospect...so that all jives. I had thought the offer was Bjork/Heinen together. But who knows.

I am of aware of Beecher.....been aware since his Sophomore year of High School. Never has been much offensively and many professional hockey observers agree that he likely a 4th liner. NJD probably has 12 young forwards or prospects that could be projected ahead of him anyway...so I am somewhat indifferent to him.

And if Boston doesn't need a d-man anyway, the whole thing is moot.


I should have worded it differently I guess. Boston was the only team to offer a 1st (with Heinen) for Palms.

We'll agree to disagree on Beecher. Most scouting reports I've seen and the few scouts I've spoken with have Beecher as a 3C at worst with upside of a 2C if he's willing to get more agressive in the o-zone. It's not a lack of talent for his low offense, its him wanting to be a responsible 200ft player, so he's less willing to take chances that may burn his team if the puck goes the other way.
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I should have worded it differently I guess. Boston was the only team to offer a 1st (with Heinen) for Palms.

We'll agree to disagree on Beecher. Most scouting reports I've seen and the few scouts I've spoken with have Beecher as a 3C at worst with upside of a 2C if he's willing to get more agressive in the o-zone. It's not a lack of talent for his low offense, its him wanting to be a responsible 200ft player, so he's less willing to take chances that may burn his team if the puck goes the other way.


Oh, no, a few teams offered 1st for Palms. Calgary (Prospect d-man, a 4th liner and a 1st), Florida, I think Carolina, and another Canadian team (when Bob McKenzie reported Palmieri declined to waive). So the market was there. I think NJD just felt it was better to try to resign him.

Beecher was once a projected top-10 pick for his class based on his size, speed. His stock went down considerably at USNTDP and now he is playing bottom-6 in college. The lack of offensive is the concern. Hopefully he finds his game and earns 2C opportunities. But I’d be surprised if any scouts think that’s in the cards.
2 févr. 2021 à 12 h 57
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previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."


Palmieri had 50 two seasons ago and was on pace for 50+ last year on a bad Devils team. He is also a great two-way player. That's the value of Palmieri
2 févr. 2021 à 13 h 3
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Palmieri had 50 two seasons ago and was on pace for 50+ last year on a bad Devils team. He is also a great two-way player. That's the value of Palmieri


people dont trade value for an expiring UFA based on last year's numbers. Again he is a valuable player but you said at least a 1st and a prospect. Maybe if he brings the same level of production as the last 2 seasons, not because he had those productions the last 2 seasons.
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people dont trade value for an expiring UFA based on last year's numbers. Again he is a valuable player but you said at least a 1st and a prospect. Maybe if he brings the same level of production as the last 2 seasons, not because he had those productions the last 2 seasons.


"At least 1st and prospect" was likely the Devils asking price last trade deadline.

His price is whatever the market will bear. His value is different than his price and would vary team to team.

The trade that I thought was reasonable with the Nino, Bean, 1st offer. But I'd think Bokk + 2nd or similar would also be reasonable. Jarvis would be a steal for NJD. Foegele would be steal for 'Canes.
 
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