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Four trades building prospect depth

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: fév 2, 2021
Publié: 2 fév à 7 h 30
Équipe: 2020-21 Devils du New Jersey
Explications
A random mix of trades using ideas from elsewhere. Some were based on offers from other team. NJD goal is using tradable assets and cap space to build some prospect depth (instead of stockpiling picks or adding veterans). No A-listers in this prospect group, but all solid future role players.

NJD GIVES:
- Kyle Palmieri (RW)
- Will Butcher (LHD)
- Dmitri Kulikov (LHD)
- 2021 4th pick
- $5.5 million in cap space

NJD GETS
- Mattias Norlinder (LHD)
- Bode Wilde (RHD)
- Daniel Torgersson (LW)
- Johnny Beecher (LHC)
- 2021 1st pick (MTL)
- 2021 3rd pick (BOS)

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Transactions
NJD
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Norlinder, Mattias [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2021 1e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Armia in here for salary reasons. Norlinder could be swapped with a number of guys (Poehling, Fleury, Primeau, Mete, Guhle, Caufield)
MTL
  1. Palmieri, Kyle (2 325 000 $ retained)
  2. 2021 4e round pick (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Palmieri without extension, but with salary 50% retained. Ends up as $275,000 in savings for MTL. And adding late pick here that NJD could probably receive by flipping Armia.
NJD
  1. Komarov, Leo
  2. Wilde, Bode
  3. 2021 5e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Original offer was Leo and two picks, but am adding a prospect instead of one of the picks. Wilde would be first choice, but could also see Salo (or Bolduc with higher pick attached).
NYI
  1. Butcher, Will
Détails additionnels:
Will Butcher is still solid puck-moving middle pair LHD. Would probably play PP2 here. Maybe pair with Mayfield for 5v5. The biggest challenge for NYI may be having to leave him (or another d-man) exposed in expansion draft.
NJD
  1. Perreault, Mathieu
  2. Torgersson, Daniel [Liste de réserve]
Détails additionnels:
Perreault is salary dump. Torgersson would be the target for this deal.
WPG
  1. Armia, Joel (1 300 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Armia flipped at 50% retained. Net salary savings for WPG would be $2,825,000 (annualized).
NJD
  1. Moore, John (750 000 $ retained)
  2. Beecher, John [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2021 3e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
NJD takes Moore on small discount to be 7th or 8th d-man. And adds a b-level prospect.
BOS
  1. Kulikov, Dmitry
  2. Perreault, Mathieu (2 062 500 $ retained)
  3. 2021 5e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Boston is getting a better LHD, a cheap short-term winger for bottom-six and long-term salary relief on Moore
Rachats de contrats
  • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
  • Mike Cammalleri: 1 666 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Kyle Palmieri: 2 325 000 $ (100%)
  • Joel Armia: 1 300 000 $ (50%)
  • Mathieu Perreault: 2 062 500 $ (50%)
  • Travis Zajac: 2 875 000 $ (50%)
  • Kyle Palmieri: 2 325 000 $ (50%)
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
Enfoui
  • Leo Komarov: 1 925 000 $ (3 000 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
NJD
MTL
NYI
NJD
ARI
BOS
BUF
NJD
ARI
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
2023
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $76 949 164 $0 $4 047 500 $4 550 836 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NJD
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
NJD
Hughes, Jack
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Sharangovich, Yegor
775 833 $
C, AD, AG
RFA - 1
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
2 250 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
863 333 $
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Bastian, Nathan
714 166 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
NJD
Wood, Miles
2 750 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Zajac, Travis
2 875 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Boqvist, Jesper
925 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
811 666 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NJD
Murray, Ryan
4 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
NJD
Subban, P.K.
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
2 800 000 $
G
RFA - 3
NJD
Smith, Ty
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 3
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 3
NJD
Wedgewood, Scott
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Moore, John
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
NJD
Vatanen, Sami
2 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NJD
Carrick, Connor
1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
NJD
Dell, Aaron
800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
NJD
Tennyson, Matt
700 000 $ (0 $)
DD
UFA - 1
NJD
Maltsev, Mikhail
809 167 $ (0 $)
AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Merkley, Nick
874 125 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Senn, Gilles
817 500 $ (0 $)
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Bahl, Kevin
795 000 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 3

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2 fév à 11 h 34
#26
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
(always get Jones and Werenski mixed up - never remember who is right and who is left)

So you're saying Boston may be in the market for cheap LHD rental? Or no? Because the expansion draft concern would lead me to believe they would want a rental.

Personally, I wouldn't pay current price on Dunn or Hanifin, but if you can get Ekholm, might be worth exposing Grz and hope you can work out deal with Seattle later.



Doubt it. Depends on health at deadline. They might give up a 4th or 5th for a rental depth piece if they feel it’s necessary. But they can use Moore for that. None of the low end 3rd pair type that everyone keeps trying to trade B’s on here would step into the lineup over what they have already. The whole idea was to let Lauzon and Zboril play after being buried for 5 years behind a deep LD. They are not benching them for bottom pair vet.
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2 fév à 11 h 39
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Quoting: Devil1122
Palmieri gets at least a first + prospect


previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."
2 fév à 11 h 51
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Quoting: ecupirate07
previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."


That’s true. But it’s still price someone will pay. His slump doesn’t mean NJD sells him cheap.

I would think if Carolina put up a very good prospect alone (like Jarvis), or a decent prospect (Bokk, Honka) plus 2nd/3rd...NJD wouldn’t flinch before accepting (assuming they don’t resign him first).

I just don’t know who canes view as expendable.
2 fév à 12 h 05
#29
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Earlier, you said NJD wasn't offered a 1st. Now you say it was your team that offered the 1st. Regardless, I do remember reports that Devils GM was very high on Bjork, wanted a 1st and prospect...so that all jives. I had thought the offer was Bjork/Heinen together. But who knows.

I am of aware of Beecher.....been aware since his Sophomore year of High School. Never has been much offensively and many professional hockey observers agree that he likely a 4th liner. NJD probably has 12 young forwards or prospects that could be projected ahead of him anyway...so I am somewhat indifferent to him.

And if Boston doesn't need a d-man anyway, the whole thing is moot.


I should have worded it differently I guess. Boston was the only team to offer a 1st (with Heinen) for Palms.

We'll agree to disagree on Beecher. Most scouting reports I've seen and the few scouts I've spoken with have Beecher as a 3C at worst with upside of a 2C if he's willing to get more agressive in the o-zone. It's not a lack of talent for his low offense, its him wanting to be a responsible 200ft player, so he's less willing to take chances that may burn his team if the puck goes the other way.
2 fév à 12 h 28
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Quoting: ON3M4N
I should have worded it differently I guess. Boston was the only team to offer a 1st (with Heinen) for Palms.

We'll agree to disagree on Beecher. Most scouting reports I've seen and the few scouts I've spoken with have Beecher as a 3C at worst with upside of a 2C if he's willing to get more agressive in the o-zone. It's not a lack of talent for his low offense, its him wanting to be a responsible 200ft player, so he's less willing to take chances that may burn his team if the puck goes the other way.


Oh, no, a few teams offered 1st for Palms. Calgary (Prospect d-man, a 4th liner and a 1st), Florida, I think Carolina, and another Canadian team (when Bob McKenzie reported Palmieri declined to waive). So the market was there. I think NJD just felt it was better to try to resign him.

Beecher was once a projected top-10 pick for his class based on his size, speed. His stock went down considerably at USNTDP and now he is playing bottom-6 in college. The lack of offensive is the concern. Hopefully he finds his game and earns 2C opportunities. But I’d be surprised if any scouts think that’s in the cards.
2 fév à 12 h 57
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Quoting: ecupirate07
previous two season's Palmieri, okay. He needs to bring more this season before he is worth "at least a 1st and a prospect."


Palmieri had 50 two seasons ago and was on pace for 50+ last year on a bad Devils team. He is also a great two-way player. That's the value of Palmieri
2 fév à 13 h 03
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Quoting: Devil1122
Palmieri had 50 two seasons ago and was on pace for 50+ last year on a bad Devils team. He is also a great two-way player. That's the value of Palmieri


people dont trade value for an expiring UFA based on last year's numbers. Again he is a valuable player but you said at least a 1st and a prospect. Maybe if he brings the same level of production as the last 2 seasons, not because he had those productions the last 2 seasons.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
people dont trade value for an expiring UFA based on last year's numbers. Again he is a valuable player but you said at least a 1st and a prospect. Maybe if he brings the same level of production as the last 2 seasons, not because he had those productions the last 2 seasons.


"At least 1st and prospect" was likely the Devils asking price last trade deadline.

His price is whatever the market will bear. His value is different than his price and would vary team to team.

The trade that I thought was reasonable with the Nino, Bean, 1st offer. But I'd think Bokk + 2nd or similar would also be reasonable. Jarvis would be a steal for NJD. Foegele would be steal for 'Canes.
 
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