Well this is how you ensure that Colorado wins the cup and Montreal misses the playoffs.

kadri adds grit that danault doest have

I know people are thinking that Kadri sucks and he must be traded.
And after his last game I’ve changed my mind a little, we have to face it he has had a bad start to the season, but he looked better last night. But he still has a long way to go to getting back to his true form.
I say we give Ol’kadri some time and if he still sucks let’s say in around 10 games then we may trade him.

But I’d like Danult, I would view him as an upgrade.

And the rest of the trades, just give the bottom 6 some time get situated and set and we will see. Because remember we are still early.

I think it’s to early to press the panic button and completely rework the bottom 6.

Hence the 50/50 uptake, some think it's wise to cash in on Danault now if the rumours are true that he declined their offer, and others think better to hold onto him for the run at the cup. Both have their pros and cons.

Absolutely agree on the panic button aspect (normally us saying that to you isn't it :P ), but there's no question there needs to be some work done in the #3C department.

3C is an issue, is it fixable without causing greater damage is the question

I'm not sure I'd consider this damage per se but I get your meaning if you mean loss of prospects/picks. Were not giving up all that much tbh. There are likely to be some available for less later in the day (TDL) but do we want to wait that long? It's a tricky one especially with a shortened season.

100% agree, it was more of a general statement than a reflection on this trade - I think it is decent trade no 2nd round picks for 3 yrs sucks but if it is the cost of a CUP "would pay it all day every day and twice on Sunday"

Yeah I think most of us would take that in a heartbeat, and there's always the possibility of re-acquiring picks in later trades as the cap becomes more of an issue. Seconds are valuable but at least we kept all the firsts intact in this scenario. I'd say this would set us up to be contenders for more than one cup as well.

Definitely would keep the window open for some time

Which Sens fans did you talk to because that's not even close for Tierney? Tierney isn't going to be traded for quantity.

LOL! You were one of them. Admittedly you didn't come back on the prospect bit at the end but you'd said the pick, add Bellemare and wanted a good prospect. I listed them all but got no reply so I picked one of the best. So it must be pretty close by your own admission. What more do you want now? LOL!

Link please

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/412187

Sens say no thank you

I found this thread
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/412178

The proposed trade was

COL
Tierney, Chris
OTT
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
Pateryn, Greg
2022 3rd round pick (COL)

My specific comments are these, with a couple others included











My comment was the last in that particular thread.

My point was, Tierney should, and will probably be, traded for a defence upgrade, but in this situation, I figured a defence prospect would be close, but it had to be a comparable one in value though.

Justin Barron seems to be a decent prospect. Not looking for a Drysdale of course, but a late 1st round pick, that deserved to be first round, and hasn't regressed.

Yep we then went onto the one I linked above with an improved offer. Obviously still work needed there.

It looks like I'm still talking about Barron. I remember seeing the list of prospects and just moving on because they were mostly forwards.

Foudy and a 3rd would be considered quantity. The Sens would be looking for a comparable single prospect, a late 1st round defenceman, if they decided on a prospect rather than a roster defenceman. I'd prefer that the Sens went after Marcus Pettersson, personally.

In the end, this is all just chat.

But of course. Might be that the Avs would have to gamble on Helleson stepping up and trade Barron or else send more than one prospect (i.e. Helleson as a D prospect a step down from Barron AND Foudy for example). Chat is always good.

I know you said any team but let's scratch wings off that list. You pay for us to take him if he'd coming to us

Donskoi still has that much value to any team that can fit him under the cap. Avs wouldn't be needing to pay anyone to take him I'm sure. They'd get a late 3rd/early 4th easily.

I do like Danault, but I don't think I'd do this deal unless he came with an extension. And even then why not wait to the off season and keep Kadri. Trading Naz throws a pretty big wrench in the chemistry. I would be down to sign Danault as a UFA and let Kadri go when his contract is up.

I also hate giving up Foudy. His ceiling is so enticing that I would be bummed.

Team looks good though and the trades aren't too crazy, so nice job.

Not from the red wings, if you trade him elsewhere that is correct, if it's insisting on being the wings then avs pay for us to take him, not the other way around. We are not trading picks for these types of players at all during this rebuild. If you want the cap relief and it's to wings you pay. If it's to a playoff team you get your pick.

@sensibleguy do you think the Sens would be interested in a Graves for Tierney trade if the Avs decided he was surplus to requirements?

Thanks for the kind comment, don't get them too often LMAO. Yeah giving up Foudy would suck as I agree with you, but got to give to get. I think Danault is an upgrade, though only small, over Kadri. Signing him as a UFA and keeping both him and Kadri would be tough on the cap situation, hence both teams get something from the deal but yes, it does depend on getting Danault signed so there'd need to be at least some indication of that.