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For the sake of total rebuild

Créé par: justaBoss
Équipe: 2021-22 Panthers de la Floride
Date de création initiale: 27 janv. 2021
Publié: 27 janv. 2021
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Assuming that this season is going to be a total failure, maybe they'll consider rebuilding the whole organisation, Ottawa style. Based on how they're built for now, it's unlikely they'll have any kind of success with their current core, after all.

Fire coach Q. He's just useless in a young, retooling team.

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Summing the trades

VGK trade
- using the Karlsson trade as a bit of an example, after all he's the latest franchise caliber player that has been dealt as a pending UFA. I'd argue Barkov would carry more value than EK due to his position, and the fact there hasn't been such huge rumors about him wanting to leave the team as there were with EK.
- VGK gains themselves the clear cut 1C they've been lacking for.
- FLA gains important pieces to base their rebuild on.

COL trade
- I don't think there's many examples of TOP5 players of his own position being dealt to futures with two years left, but I do think Huberdeau is worth a top prospect, mid-6 player and a first rounder.
- COL, being a contending team, could form probably the best line of modern hockey for two years in Hubby-MacKinnon-Rantanen. Also their defense is deep, meaning Byram might be expendable.
- FLA needs a young star D-man to build their defense around. Byram might be the best option in the market.

TOR trade
- it's a bit touch and go, but I'm banking on two things
1) TOR loses once again early in the playoffs and finally decides that their approach of paying 4 forwards half of their cap won't bring them success.
2) Ekblad asks for trade after another disappointing season, and he has seen enough rebuilding throughout his career, he's a first round pick after all.
- making a huge hockey trade in swapping Ekblad and Marner to one another, and adding two good prospects from each team to swap as well to make the trade position wise somewhat even.

PHI trade
- adding 2 players from each team that might need a change of scenery.
- PHI adds a pick due to saving a bit money in this exchange

CGY trade
- this deal is made during the 2020-21 trade deadline.
- FLA adds future picks, CGY adds depth assets to bolster their roster.

STL trade
- if Hoffman and/or Schwartz walks, they need a winger. Vatrano could be a realistic option.

WSH trade
- WSH needs to create cap to re-sign Ovechkin and Vrana
- Panik is a bit of a cap dump, FLA as a rebuilding team could take the guy in.
- They gain a young 2G and a pick as compensation.

CAR trade
- Canes need a physical RHD for playoff depth. They don't really have those.
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FLA
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Roy, Nicolas
  3. Tuch, Alex
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (VGK)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (VGK)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
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FLA
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. Compher, J.T.
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (COL)
COL
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
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FLA
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (STL)
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FLA
  1. Pánik, Richard
  2. Vanecek, Vitek
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
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FLA
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
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FLA
    Expansion draft
    VGK
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 12
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    Byram isn't on the market.
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 12
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    Carolina's right side on defense is Dougie Hamilton, Brett Pesce and Haydn Fleury.... why do they need Gudas exactly?
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 15
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    Avs are not trading byram, can’t see them interested in this deal at all if he’s involved
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 16
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    pack your bags bo.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 17
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    Carolina's right side on defense is Dougie Hamilton, Brett Pesce and Haydn Fleury.... why do they need Gudas exactly?


    Next year I'd bet on Fleury playing in Seattle. There's an open slot for Gudas there.

    Honestly the team doesn't matter. Any team that could have use for Gudas will do. Think the value of 3rd is realistic.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 18
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    Byram isn't on the market.


    Everyone is on the market when the price is right.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 18
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Byram isn't on the market.


    Quoting: coga16
    Avs are not trading byram, can’t see them interested in this deal at all if he’s involved


    If it were Newhook or Barron the Avs would definitely listen, but as these two stated, Byram is a non-starter.
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 19
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    Quoting: Foppa21
    If it were Newhook or Barron the Avs would definitely listen, but as these two stated, Byram is a non-starter.


    Unfortunately neither of them is even close to what Huberdeau is value-wise.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 21
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    Unfortunately neither of them is even close to what Huberdeau is value-wise.


    then no rebuild for the Panthers then,...and thats foolish to think that Newhook isn't a prospect they would pass up. Hes considered on of the top prospects in the entire NHL
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 26
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    Leafs are not trading Marner, considering he has been amazing for the Leafs, and leads the NHL in points
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 28
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    Byram is untouchable and in truth what you had FLA receiving for Huberdeau is better than what you had them receiving for Barkov, that’s how good Byram is. Also the Avs aren’t going to spend that sort of assets on a winger that honestly because of the 3 headed monster slots into the 2nd line.
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 28
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    Quoting: BogoNorris
    Leafs are not trading Marner, considering he has been amazing for the Leafs, and leads the NHL in points


    He's always amazing during regular season.

    Then he disappears in the playoffs.

    That's what I'm banking on happening this time again.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 29
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    Byram is untouchable and in truth what you had FLA receiving for Huberdeau is better than what you had them receiving for Barkov, that’s how good Byram is. Also the Avs aren’t going to spend that sort of assets on a winger that honestly because of the 3 headed monster slots into the 2nd line.


    It's done purposefully. Huberdeau has two years left, and at $2,5M that guy is as valuable as anyone, really.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 33
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    It's done purposefully. Huberdeau has two years left, and at $2,5M that guy is as valuable as anyone, really.


    The Avs already have arguably the best line in hockey without Huberdeau. He is up in 2 yrs for a massive raise yeah the Avs are trading Byram on his ELC for that. The value of Byram on his ELC is worth significantly more to the Avs than Huberdeau for 2 yrs.
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 35
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    i'd trade byram for 3 years of huberdeau at $3.5m. it would be like the panthers handing the avs another cup.

    avs should go all in while mackinnon is still cheap.
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    It's done purposefully. Huberdeau has two years left, and at $2,5M that guy is as valuable as anyone, really.


    but he has 2 years left....that is the point here. Byram is going to be a stud for the Avs for the next decade with Makar. The impact of Byram will outweigh the 2 years of Huberdeau bc he can not be extended on the Avs.

    Like other avs fans have said, newhook is the value piece Panthers can ask from the Avs in this type of deal, other than that. Considering PLD who has still team control left as an RFA, all the teams involved wouldn't move a Suzuki, or a Newhook (CBJ asked and avs wouldn't do it)....tough sell right now for thse top end prospect or guys like Byram or Suzuki on their ELCs.
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 36
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    Quoting: BogoNorris
    Leafs are not trading Marner, considering he has been amazing for the Leafs, and leads the NHL in points


    Quoting: justaBoss
    He's always amazing during regular season.

    Then he disappears in the playoffs.

    That's what I'm banking on happening this time again.


    Marner is Toronto’s boy. You are thinking of Nylander that they would trade. They would trade Nylander for a bag of pucks and kick him in the ass as he walked out the door to keep marner even if Nylander scored more points.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 37
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    Swap Byram with Graves / Timmons 1st with a 2/3 maybe we got something to talk about
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    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 39
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    The Avs already have arguably the best line in hockey without Huberdeau. He is up in 2 yrs for a massive raise yeah the Avs are trading Byram on his ELC for that. The value of Byram on his ELC is worth significantly more to the Avs than Huberdeau for 2 yrs.


    I agree and disagree.

    I do think that now that their window is more open for success than probably with any team in the league, and Huberdeau would make this window even wider right now.

    Keeping Byram is not really effecting on that right now, he isn't even making it constantly in the lineup.

    Their contracts are both two year deals from the next year on - with Byram naturally being the one who's rights they can keep for longer time.

    Regardless in two or three years time they will be in a cap hell - and Byram also will need an extension by that point.

    So honestly they're going to struggle with money in two years time no matter which one they have in their roster, Huberdeau or Byram.

    It's a matter of thinking is it worth taking the highest likelihoods of winning the cup now - or banking on slightly higher odds in a few years time. Keeping Byram or taking in Huberdeau is unlikely to affect to the length of their window of success, really.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 40
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    i'd trade byram for 3 years of huberdeau at $3.5m. it would be like the panthers handing the avs another cup.

    avs should go all in while mackinnon is still cheap.


    Indeed.

    Also he's only $2,5M.

    Edit: wait nevermind I just noticed my mistake. It's supposed to be a 50% retention but it's not lol
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 41
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    Quoting: Zmach
    Marner is Toronto’s boy. You are thinking of Nylander that they would trade. They would trade Nylander for a bag of pucks and kick him in the ass as he walked out the door to keep marner even if Nylander scored more points.


    Ekblad for Nylander is bad for FLA imo. Ekblad for Marner is a wash.
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Indeed.

    Also he's only $2,5M.


    cap hit or cash? because cap hit would be $3.5m
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 43
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    Quoting: Internetkingz
    Swap Byram with Graves / Timmons 1st with a 2/3 maybe we got something to talk about


    That's terrible for Florida, really.

    A top5 player of his position demands a top level prospect. Timmins+1st+ is far from what Byram is.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 43
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Ekblad for Nylander is bad for FLA imo. Ekblad for Marner is a wash.


    Yeah but to Toronto a player that has never made a mistake in any game ever is worth Two ekblads lol.
    27 janv. 2021 à 18 h 43
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    cap hit or cash? because cap hit would be $3.5m


    yeah I noticed the mistake. I intended it to be a 50% retention but I messed up. It should be $2,95M.
     
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