Blues protect Krug, Parayko, Faulk. That leaves Dunn exposed.

& seriously, stop trolling me and insulting for no reason. I've stated facts about the team. Just cause you don't like how your team and a player ha performed, doesn't mean you should act out like that.

I'm not hating or trolling St. Louis. I'm talking about the subject that's been brought up. If you don't like my comments, don't read them or block me. I'm not dealing with your bull****.

See, people say he plays "sheltered minutes" but that's not true. The arguments against him are that the Blues aren't using him as a top 4 right now so therefore he must not be a top 4. He's a good defenseman still trying to find that consistency which is common for a 24 year old defenseman.

first and a B prospect, or 2nd and a good prospect is what I think is a reasonable return

He was a sheltered third pairing D the last few seasons so that isn’t a recency bias. You also failed to counter my points, bravo.

Funny coming from the guy that chirped Nylander and said he was garbage when he missed training camp and 2 MONTHS of the season, but when your favourite teams player misses 2 WEEKS of practise, all of a sudden it's fine to miss time and it takes time to get going.

Seriously stop responding now. Block me. I'll be blocking you and not putting up with your ****.

"Spread it out" yet he can't remain with his same d partner as last season and gets passes by Gunnarsson? & he's been getting walked all over this season.

I disagree that Seattle wouldn't touch that contract. Francis loves Faulk and was a major advocate. I can see him taking him

"3rd pair". You don't watch the blues every night so you have no idea what you are talking about. They had a system last year where they played their 3 pairings a similar amount. Yes faulk-dunn was the 3rd pair last year but they had more responsibility than a normal "3rd pair"

It's 100% fair to overrate your own players, and I won't hold it against you.

bro Faulk and Scandella have been amazing this year, so now wonder he is playing with someone else. And he regular partner Bortuzzo has been out most of the year. "walked all over"?? I'll admit the grundtrom goal was bad but you are exaggerating. And yeah Gunnarsson and Pietrangelo played well together thats why he was playing "above him" not necessarily because he is a better defenseman. You obviously no nothing about the Blues. Your opinions are actually cancer

also you are they guy that posted Engvall and a 2nd for Adam Pelech?? hard to take you seriously when you come up with trades like that

The problem here is nobody actually knows Finns value it’s either overrating him or underrating him, he is 100% a top tier 2nd paring dman with the celling of a solid 1st paring guy and a lot of people don’t know that but his trade value is also haved rn because he isn’t fitting into Armstrong’s vision so he’s not getting proper play time and deployment and he’s getting benched for much worse players so I’d say rn he’s worth about a 2nd and 3rd/B prospect

He also played comparable time with Bortuzzo and a little with AP but yes 16 mins and 16 seconds of ice time = 3rd pair. I actually watched a fair bit of STL games because I knew I was moving to STL this year and wanted to get acquainted with team since I’ll be there for almost 4 years so yeah.

He also got benched because the trade talks ramped up and they wanted to protect the asset. The other thing is Dunn won't be cheap long term. So that's the other issue here. We have guys like Mikkola and Perunovich who are ready to be full time guys and no room for everyone.

Can someone explain why Dunn is a top 4 D? His time on ice statistics consistently have him as a 3rd pair D, and not a 3rd pair that’s run evenly with the other pairs (6th most atoi last year, 5th this year, in both cases 3+ minutes below the guy ahead of him even including his PP2 time). If he’s a 3rd pair guy that can run PP2 but needs sheltered even strength ice time and no PK capabilities that’s fine, there’s some value there, but there’s no need to pretend he’s a good top 4 D when he’s never been deployed in that manner. I don’t see any of these teams giving up this much for him, it definitely won’t be a multi-piece deal (at least not multiple good pieces, 1st+B prospect I just can’t see happening) and STL would be lucky to get a late 1st for him imo.

I mean, I think he's a serviceable 2nd pairing guy, but all of this "The Blues run 3 D pairings equally!" stuff is kinda funny, given that he was 6th amongst Blues Dmen in ATOI last year, playing more than 4 minutes per game less than the guy in the #5 spot.

So the thing with Dunn is that he has incredible underlying analytics in the very sheltered role that he has had, among the best in the league. When those are adjusted for quality of competition and time on ice, it would appear that he should be able to handle a bigger role. But, as you said, he's never been deployed that way, and you don't really know until you know. I would just rather know because the Blues played him there than because the Rangers or whoever played him there. I don't think our other options for the top four are overwhelmingly better.

The analytics would suggest that Dunn needs no sheltered time at even strength. There's been a lot of noise about him getting walked a few games ago and like that's bad and I would like him to not do that but defensemen get walked all the time. Pietrangelo got beat by Kyrou just last night and no one is super upset about that because Pietrangelo has pedigree. The thing is Dunn doesn't normally have to make those kinds of 1 on 1 plays because when he's on the ice, he controls a lot of the possession metrics. There's inherent value in something not happening when he's on the ice as there is something that is happening. It's like when goalies make an incredible save, it's usually because they're out of position in the first place,, but really good goaltending isn't going to result in those kind of sprawling plays because they're just in position all the time. If the Blues have the puck most of the time when Dunn is on the ice, he doesn't need to make these incredible defensive plays very often, and that's good because he's clearly not that good at them on the occasions that they do happen, and that sticks in people's minds.

The Blues, meanwhile, have every right to set the asking price very high and I am glad they are doing so. The upside on Dunn is still high enough that it's worth it. He's had similar results to Toews and Toews got two seconds, which I think was too low of a price to begin with.

Literally Parayko Krug and Dunn will be protected.

Seriously? The guy was sitting on the couch for over 4 weeks in Sweden because he wanted more money. Dunn had been sitting here dealing with them trying to make an offer, and oh yeah still doing work outs.

I literally haven't talked to you in years because of how you act with your comments. We never agree, so I ignore you. You continue to quote me even though you always lead to this. Stop. The moderators have told us both not to respond to each other, so stop. You don't agree with me, cool. I don't care anymore, you've made that clear. Now stop talking to me as we were told before were both infracted. Goodbye.

Alright everyone. These are the Blues' 5v5 time on ice per game numbers from the regular season last year:

1. Parayko 19.25
2. Boumeester 18.37
3. Pietrangelo 18.06
4. Faulk 17.61
5. Scandella 17.16
6. Dunn 14.34
7. Gunnarsson 13.6

Note that Scandella only played 11 games in this sample.

I have hardly watched St. Louis play at all last year, but I think it's fair to say he was clearly a 3rd pairing defenseman. And this isn't a 'our pairings are balanced so the 3rd pair gets more responsibility' situation. There is a very clear drop-off in ice time when it gets to Dunn. Additionally, he had the most offensive-zone skewed faceoff starts percentages on the team last year (outside of Mikkola, Walman, and Pouliot, who each played 5 games or less). so it's safe to say he did in fact get sheltered usage.

It's completely fine to have your own opinions on who Dunn is and what he can develop into, but to say he wasn't a sheltered 3rd pairing defenseman last year is simply untrue.