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Créé par: Birtle34
Équipe: 2020-21 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 26 janv. 2021
Publié: 26 janv. 2021
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Kind of interesting not sure if the value is there, but 3 for 1 kinda makes it jn
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26 janv. 2021 à 7 h 31
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Its not hard to imagine boston being a bit annoyed at how streaky a player debrusk is but I can't see them moving him for smaller pieces.
26 janv. 2021 à 7 h 37
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I'm going to say your not a Bruins fan based on this trade. I honestly don't think any piece coming to Boston in this deal helps them or is an improvement over what we already have.
26 janv. 2021 à 7 h 38
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Its not hard to imagine boston being a bit annoyed at how streaky a player debrusk is but I can't see them moving him for smaller pieces.

Expansion year is the only reason I would offer that package and Seattle getting a choice between Stanley and harkins. Stanley is looking pretty legit early this year, starting to remove bust label. With the Dubois add, Gustafson rather blocked now in top 6, not sure if harkins ever makes it to top 6 now. So probably would need a pick in there possibly. I would be scared of a recchi for desjardins, leclair, Dionne result for Winnipeg. But Winnipeg is in need of a little more scoring and hole on the wing with two wingers going to Columbus.
26 janv. 2021 à 7 h 40
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I'm going to say your not a Bruins fan based on this trade. I honestly don't think any piece coming to Boston in this deal helps them or is an improvement over what we already have.

Not a Bruins fan but a 6/7 22 year old dman, with a nasty streak might have one dreaming of a past Bruins dman. Other two guys depth prospects with hopefully top 6 ceiling but I would doubt.
26 janv. 2021 à 7 h 50
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Not a Bruins fan but a 6/7 22 year old dman, with a nasty streak might have one dreaming of a past Bruins dman. Other two guys depth prospects with hopefully top 6 ceiling but I would doubt.


Don't care about Stanley height, he has no where to play in Boston line-up. Whose he 100% playing over on the left side of the defense?

Grz? No
Zboril? No
Lauzon? No

Now let's address some other things. Coyle is the #3C and Gus is a massive downgrade. Even assuming Coyle moves to RW, the Bruins top prospect is Jack Studnicka, a center and he'd take the 3C role (also better than Gus). Harkins scouting report reads as a 3rd line TWF or 4th line defensive FWD.

DeBrusk is top 20 among all LW in 5v5 goals since entering the league. That package doesn't even get the conversation started. The guys you're offering up played limited roles for WPG and they have some of the lowest ATOI on the team. How are they suddenly going to take larger roles on a cup contender, but they can't do it in WPG?
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26 janv. 2021 à 8 h 1
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Don't care about Stanley height, he has no where to play in Boston line-up. Whose he 100% playing over on the left side of the defense?

Grz? No
Zboril? No
Lauzon? No

Now let's address some other things. Coyle is the #3C and Gus is a massive downgrade. Even assuming Coyle moves to RW, the Bruins top prospect is Jack Studnicka, a center and he'd take the 3C role (also better than Gus). Harkins scouting report reads as a 3rd line TWF or 4th line defensive FWD.

DeBrusk is top 20 among all LW in 5v5 goals since entering the league. That package doesn't even get the conversation started. The guys you're offering up played limited roles for WPG and they have some of the lowest ATOI on the team. How are they suddenly going to take larger roles on a cup contender, but they can't do it in WPG?


Fair enough, I don’t know the Bruins at all, I admitted that. Debrusk has 1 assist in first 5 games, Bruins aren’t cup contenders, they are too old and not skilled enough to pull it off. They seem to have there defensive game down and keeping the puck out of there own net. They may have the goalie steal one, they may win a special teams series, or a 5v5 battle, but the end of the day they don’t even win a physical series with Tb, let alone Vegas or colorado. The team needs a retool and it won’t happen til some of the past warriors retire. This trade starts the process but yes it would need more with debrusk value still being relatively high, but he needs a healthy offensive streak to keep it up high.
26 janv. 2021 à 8 h 40
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While i like all 3 of those guys. They don’t make the roster for Boston next year. So it’s a no. If Debrusk gets moved it’s for a legit
LD1.

I’d trade Kase for 2 of them. Your choice of the 2.
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26 janv. 2021 à 8 h 48
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While i like all 3 of those guys. They don’t make the roster for Boston next year. So it’s a no. If Debrusk gets moved it’s for a legit
LD1.

I’d trade Kase for 2 of them. Your choice of the 2.


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While i like all 3 of those guys. They don’t make the roster for Boston next year. So it’s a no. If Debrusk gets moved it’s for a legit
LD1.

I’d trade Kase for 2 of them. Your choice of the 2.


Jets probably all traded out for another year or two, but hopefully do something pre expansion draft not to gift Stanley to Seattle, harkins probably ends up protected and gus replaces stasny next year. But damn it would be nice to pop in a scorer on that second line over rotating harkins/copp and whoever else gets a shot.
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 4
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The whole point of the bruins off season was to get some of the guys they’ve developed in the lineup. This trade just kinda kills that, and with no real upside. I think this is the classic ACGM of one side giving up a whole bunch of things that they hope add up to some sort of value, when it just doesn’t work that way.
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 13
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Fair enough, I don’t know the Bruins at all, I admitted that. Debrusk has 1 assist in first 5 games, Bruins aren’t cup contenders, they are too old and not skilled enough to pull it off. They seem to have there defensive game down and keeping the puck out of there own net. They may have the goalie steal one, they may win a special teams series, or a 5v5 battle, but the end of the day they don’t even win a physical series with Tb, let alone Vegas or colorado. The team needs a retool and it won’t happen til some of the past warriors retire. This trade starts the process but yes it would need more with debrusk value still being relatively high, but he needs a healthy offensive streak to keep it up high.



Lol, that evaluation is so far off it’s ridiculous. Your statement of I don’t know the Bruins at all was the only thing you got right. 🤷🏻‍♂️
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 20
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Lol, that evaluation is so far off it’s ridiculous. Your statement of I don’t know the Bruins at all was the only thing you got right. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Give me your path to the cup? They are 13 to 1 to win cup, not a bad price if they are such cup contenders
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 26
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Give me your path to the cup? They are 13 to 1 to win cup, not a bad price if they are such cup contenders


The defense has been very good, they are giving up less than 2 goals a game so far. With the additions of Ritchie, Frederic, Lauzon and Miller to the lineup this is the most physical team they have had in years and they upgraded secondary and 5x5 scoring with the addition of Smith. The loss of Krug on the PP and his puck movement hurts, beyond that, this is a better team than the last 2 years when they went to the SCF and won the Presidents Cup.
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26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 30
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Boston decline
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 31
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The defense has been very good, they are giving up less than 2 goals a game so far. With the additions of Ritchie, Frederic, Lauzon and Miller to the lineup this is the most physical team they have had in years and they upgraded secondary and 5x5 scoring with the addition of Smith. The loss of Krug on the PP and his puck movement hurts, beyond that, this is a better team than the last 2 years when they went to the SCF and won the Presidents Cup.

Like this site for learning and the conversation, sometimes I like to stir it up a little and get some passion flying, will be interesting then a matter of getting the pp rolling to be in the mix.
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 36
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Fair enough, I don’t know the Bruins at all, I admitted that. Debrusk has 1 assist in first 5 games, Bruins aren’t cup contenders, they are too old and not skilled enough to pull it off. They seem to have there defensive game down and keeping the puck out of there own net. They may have the goalie steal one, they may win a special teams series, or a 5v5 battle, but the end of the day they don’t even win a physical series with Tb, let alone Vegas or colorado. The team needs a retool and it won’t happen til some of the past warriors retire. This trade starts the process but yes it would need more with debrusk value still being relatively high, but he needs a healthy offensive streak to keep it up high.


Not a cup contender? They made the SCF in 2019, were the president trophy winner in 2020. You want to talk about this season so far? Here's how they rank in some key metrics:

CF% - 4th
SF% - 2nd
GF% - 8th
xGF% - 5th
SCF% - 9th

That's all without having their leading goal scorer and with a defense that saw its elite PP QB leave to STL and their top shutdown guy (and captain) leave for WSH. Not only that but they currently have 4 rookies in the line-up.

Now lets move on to the "physical series" comment. How are you going to measure physical? by hits? great Boston outhit TBL last year in their playoff series. Now I know you had said you didn't know much about the Bruins so here are some guys that we didn't have last year that bring more physicality to the team:

Frederic - led the AHL in fights last year. Loves to play in your face and get under your skin just ask PK Subban and Mark Friedman. Started 4LW, but impressed the first 4 games and was bumped to 3LW w/ Coyle and Smith. That line terrorized PHI (specifically the Hayes line) last game.

Smith - Not your typical "physical" player that you think of. But his motor is always 100% and he's not a small guys (6'1/208lb). He's just hard along the boards, tough on his stick and just grinds people down. He's hitter in the sense like Frederic, but plays that same in your face game.

Zboril - Plays with a mean streak, doesn't pass up a chance to make a big hit

Lauzon - Played in the NHL towards the end of last year, but reminds me a lot of Dennis Seidenberg. Strong kid, not shy to mix it up and can play a physical style of defense.

Ritchie - played a few games the end of last year and looked like pure dog crap. Came into camp lighter and in better shape and has looked a lot better. volume hitter, can drop the gloves and has some offensive, but consistency is the question

Miller - aka Killer returns after missing a lot of time due to two broken knee caps. volume hitter, hell of a fighter and traditional enforcer.
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26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 37
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Like this site for learning and the conversation, sometimes I like to stir it up a little and get some passion flying, will be interesting then a matter of getting the pp rolling to be in the mix.


6 of 17 35%. League avg is 22%. Think it’s fine.
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26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 40
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Not a cup contender? They made the SCF in 2019, were the president trophy winner in 2020. You want to talk about this season so far? Here's how they rank in some key metrics:

CF% - 4th
SF% - 2nd
GF% - 8th
xGF% - 5th
SCF% - 9th

That's all without having their leading goal scorer and with a defense that saw its elite PP QB leave to STL and their top shutdown guy (and captain) leave for WSH. Not only that but they currently have 4 rookies in the line-up.

Now lets move on to the "physical series" comment. How are you going to measure physical? by hits? great Boston outhit TBL last year in their playoff series. Now I know you had said you didn't know much about the Bruins so here are some guys that we didn't have last year that bring more physicality to the team:

Frederic - led the AHL in fights last year. Loves to play in your face and get under your skin just ask PK Subban and Mark Friedman. Started 4LW, but impressed the first 4 games and was bumped to 3LW w/ Coyle and Smith. That line terrorized PHI (specifically the Hayes line) last game.

Smith - Not your typical "physical" player that you think of. But his motor is always 100% and he's not a small guys (6'1/208lb). He's just hard along the boards, tough on his stick and just grinds people down. He's hitter in the sense like Frederic, but plays that same in your face game.

Zboril - Plays with a mean streak, doesn't pass up a chance to make a big hit

Lauzon - Played in the NHL towards the end of last year, but reminds me a lot of Dennis Seidenberg. Strong kid, not shy to mix it up and can play a physical style of defense.

Ritchie - played a few games the end of last year and looked like pure dog crap. Came into camp lighter and in better shape and has looked a lot better. volume hitter, can drop the gloves and has some offensive, but consistency is the question

Miller - aka Killer returns after missing a lot of time due to two broken knee caps. volume hitter, hell of a fighter and traditional enforcer.


Well written thanks, picked my wrong battle this night shift lol. Thanks for the insight, off to bed now fresh battle in the afternoon lol. So 13-1 isn’t too far fetched
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 41
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Give me your path to the cup? They are 13 to 1 to win cup, not a bad price if they are such cup contenders


I think its actually 14/1 to win the cup and that's the 5th best odds in the NHL to win the cup. What do you consider a cup contender? the top two teams in odds?
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 46
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I think its actually 14/1 to win the cup and that's the 5th best odds in the NHL to win the cup. What do you consider a cup contender? the top two teams in odds?

Site I play on had them tied with Philly at 13 to 1, surprised me, thought it may have been on past performance, but definitely got straightened out on that. Cheers, I was lumping them in with the teams that owned last decade, but obviously they have retooled and moved on to this decade also.
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Site I play on had them tied with Philly at 13 to 1, surprised me, thought it may have been on past performance, but definitely got straightened out on that. Cheers, I was lumping them in with the teams that owned last decade, but obviously they have retooled and moved on to this decade also.


Oh there's still question marks and anyone who says they knew the team would be this good with all these changes is a liar lol. If Ritchie keeps up his play and the young guys don't fall off they should be contenders. The key for Boston (and what will dictate how far they go) is getting consistent scoring away from the 1st line. This 3rd line of Frederic-Coyle-Smith could be a problem for teams at all 200ft of the ice. They have size, skill, love to play in the dirty areas and could possibly be a #2 on some of the bottom teams of the NHL.
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