Idk if Tierney is really that much of an upgrade over Compher. Obviously depending on how Compher is playing, because he can be sharp and good or just flat.

I really like JT and I think he's better than people give him credit for. That said, I've just been looking into Tierney a bit deeper after (what turned out to be seriously) lowballing on him and he's a true #3C as opposed to JT being a wing who can fill in at a push. That's the main reason for adding the third. I'd hate seeing JT go but Tierney could be a huge difference maker for the Avs. It may not be so noticeable on the current Sens team though. I'm hoping to stay up late enough to watch tonight's game to see if the eye test on Tierney agrees as I haven't watched him all that much, but it's a 3am game start for me with it being in Vancouver.

i think he's on par with compher value wise. i guess the 3rd give ottawa the incentive to do it but i'd rather just keep compher.

That was my thinking originally, I guess a lot of the weight I'm putting on it is looking at some of the advanced stats and stuff that I hadn't really looked too deeply into with regard to Tierney, hence my earlier (serious as it turns out) lowball offer for him. Still waiting on some more 'eye testing' as well. Good face off guy, kills penalties, can score a bit, makes others around him better, and genuine #3C. Similar to JT but a little better and fills a serious need for the Avs IMHO. Possibly the pick is higher than it needs to be though.

Where do you live? Guessing it must be Western Europe somewhere?

Compher and Tierney are quite comparable in terms of value, just that Compher is better on the wing. A 3rd seems a bit excessive to add though.

One thing I'll say is that getting out of 1 year of Compher's contract has some value as well. $3.5m in capspace has plenty of value in 2022/23. Though it wouldn't be so smooth to have Kadri, Burakovsky, Tierney, and Nichuskin all hit UFA at the same time.

Yep, one of those mad Euro-fans.

Yeah I figure the third is excessive but was aimiing to balance out the extra value of the genuine C. Agreed, but then I'd be planning to move Kadri so only three of them and I'm sure Joe could handle it. I'm just setting things up for him LMAO.

OTT accepts... maybe? Tierney has looked good this year

If the Avs are going for it, you should keep Compher and trade for Tierney. This is about making the Avs better by a lot, not just a little.

Was my original intention but very hard to do without offloading either Compher or Donskoi (or the combination of Pateryn/Bellemare) for cap purposes. It's one of a number of trades I was working on together , though I've posted them in isolation. In the other trades Compher would be replaced by Sissons. Tendency is that if you post a group of trades together then they get lost with everyone just dismissing them. In isolation as individual trades people tend to be more willing to spend time discussing them or that's what I've found at least, even if as you say it would appear keeping Compher AND trading for Tierney would be the smart move. Appreciating the feedback though!

Avs might be good enough to win the cup without Tierney, but as other Stanley Cup winners have shown, it doesn’t hurt to be extra good enough. The prospect is just a prospect, and has a lot less value than the cup. But it’s all good, this is just a fun conversation. Cheers!

Sorry, edited in between to explain myself a little better lol, but yes, always enjoy good hockey chat.

Avs aren't winning a cup without adding a 3C.

The problem with adding Tierney without moving out a contract is that it puts us over the cap in 2021-22.

We could trade one of Compher or Tierney or Donskoi in the offseason, but that's no guarantee in this flat cap league, and I'm sure Sakic would be risk averse.

I wouldn't say it's impossible for them to win one but it does appear to be a position of desperate need.

If Pateryn gets claimed off waivers and I could move Bellemare in the scenario I'm working we'd be ok to keep Compher this year, but like you say, next year.....potential disaster. Once I get an idea of what ppl think on the individual trades, I'll put it together to see how it works. It's all for sh!ts and giggles anyway!

How has Bellemare played this season? If he hasn’t been good, add him, because this is about making the Avs better. With that $1.8MM, and the $2MM space right now, it’s enough, barely.

For Ottawa, it would have to be an expiring contract, so that means Bellemare, Calvert, or Pateryn added as a dump.

It's hard to judge Bellemare this season because he's so often been the teams defacto 3C in terms of TOI, and that's a bit above his paygrade so to speak. If we had a proper 3C to take matchups then Bellemare would be a proper 4C and look better as a result.

He has looked a bit slower though, but that might just be as a result of not having Matt Nieto next to him this year.

So Compher & Bellemare with the third added to cover the cap dump of Bellemare (does at least give OTT options at C), and the slight value difference between Tierney and Compher as centre versus wing?

I really think you’re better off keeping Compher, is there another B+ prospect instead of Justin Barron? I hesitate to call him an A-, since that’s more in line with draft picks in the 10-20 range, and although Barron is close, he’s still in that 50/50 success rate group at the end of the first round, and has no outstanding skill, he’s solid across the board, a typical 4/5 D, which is good, of course, 4/5 D don’t grow on trees, lol.

Probably looking at Ranta LW, Foudy C or Beaucage R/LW. Maybe Mutala RW as well. Beaucage is the one written about with confidence as being a top 6 winger. Ranta was similar. Helleson D is another but the jury is out a bit on him I think. Foudy seems to be the one they were surprised dropped as low as he did. One of the best skaters in his draft year. There's also a few already playing KHL, and Henry in the AHL at RW. Prospects are always hard to judge. Draft positions often mean nothing.

Sooooooo painful to watch tonight but Tierney was probably the best player on a dreadfully bad team playing against a poor Canucks team.