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D upgrade tweak

Créé par: TJTwolf
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 24 janv. 2021
Publié: 24 janv. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Purely a question of taste. Slavin is, to me anyway, a D you can build around as a cornerstone and a natural future D corps leader to replace EJ. Very much flies under the radar and I like the idea of him being a Colorado kid. Girard is more of a complementary piece, and with Byram looking like he's going to be decent in the transition and Toews able to play the point on the PP, Sammy, whilst not exactly surplus to requirements can be used to bolster the D a little further. Girard is younger, signed longer and for a little less, and a great little puck moving D but Slavin is the better all round D, hence the additional picks and prospect in the trade. No change as far as the expansion draft goes as Slavin would just be protected instead of Girard. Whether the value is there or not is another question? Avs fans will probably hate it as Girard is much loved, be interesting to see 'Canes fans opinions.
Transactions
COL
  1. Slavin, Jaccob
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Girard, Samuel
  2. Ranta, Sampo [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (COL)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 320 554 $0 $5 000 000 $179 446 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 571 429 $5 571 429 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
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4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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874 125 $874 125 $
C
UFA - 1
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3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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3 333 333 $3 333 333 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
UFA - 1
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3 166 667 $3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
Équipe de réserve
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
AD
RFA - 3
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842 500 $842 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
G
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG, AD
UFA - 1

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24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 25
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24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 25
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Your opening sentences is why the Canes are not trading him. Certainly would cost more than that if they decided to.
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24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 29
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Your opening sentences is why the Canes are not trading him. Certainly would cost more than that if they decided to.


Fair point. The 'Canes obviously see him as I do if that's the case. What would you consider his likely value if he would cost more?
24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 31
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You have Byram and Makar, dont be greedy. Canes dont consider that anyways
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24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 35
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You have Byram and Makar, dont be greedy. Canes dont consider that anyways


LMAO, we have Byram, Makar, Toews & Girard......but yeah it is kinda greedy! tears of joy Can't blame a guy for wanting a little more though, surely? What do you consider his value?
24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 38
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Fair point. The 'Canes obviously see him as I do if that's the case. What would you consider his likely value if he would cost more?


26 legit 2 way 1st pair d man signed for 5 years to less than what he’s worth and no need or desire to move him. Very few trades involving him make them more competitive now when it’s completed. So think untouchables...plus. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 43
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26 legit 2 way 1st pair d man signed for 5 years to less than what he’s worth and no need or desire to move him. Very few trades involving him make them more competitive now when it’s completed. So think untouchables...plus. 🤷🏻‍♂️


So big overpay to get them to even think about it then you reckon?
24 janv. 2021 à 23 h 44
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So big overpay to get them to even think about it then you reckon?


Pretty much. Think you are barking up the wrong tree.
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25 janv. 2021 à 7 h 17
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Was expecting to see Pesce like all the rest of the Canes defense deals tend to be.

Slavin is a no-go...you’re not going to find a deal both sides would do. Think the other comments tell you why.
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25 janv. 2021 à 15 h 50
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Quoting: TJTwolf
So big overpay to get them to even think about it then you reckon?


Yeah it would either be one of Makar, MacKinnon, or Raantanen PLUS for Slavin IMHO
25 janv. 2021 à 16 h 26
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Yeah it would either be one of Makar, MacKinnon, or Raantanen PLUS for Slavin IMHO


Sorry, but that's plain silly. I get Slavin is high value but to suggest he's going to fetch any of those and then some.....seriously? Rantanen they wouldn't have cap space for. MacKinnon's value is waaaay higher. Makar is the only one that you might say would be reasonable to include in trade talks when talking value and his ceiling is higher so none of those would even be in contention.
25 janv. 2021 à 18 h 7
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You probably couldn't hand-pick a better D to partner Makar than Slavin. One of the few Girard trades on here that has actually made me think about it.
25 janv. 2021 à 18 h 18
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You probably couldn't hand-pick a better D to partner Makar than Slavin. One of the few Girard trades on here that has actually made me think about it.


Remember a few days ago when I said I'd trade Girard and you replied with 'What?' and I replied 'I didn't say who for though'. This was my thinking lol. I agree that it would take an overpay (though not MacK, Makar, Rants as above) but certainly would probably have to entertain one of Bowers/Kaut/Newhook (and maybe even a pick or lower prospect) with Girard to get it done I think. I was being a little cheap with this offer though I don't think it would be as much on top of Girard as most seem to.

Definitely agree he and Makar would be dynamite.
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25 janv. 2021 à 18 h 26
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Remember a few days ago when I said I'd trade Girard and you replied with 'What?' and I replied 'I didn't say who for though'. This was my thinking lol. I agree that it would take an overpay (though not MacK, Makar, Rants as above) but certainly would probably have to entertain one of Bowers/Kaut/Newhook (and maybe even a pick or lower prospect) with Girard to get it done I think. I was being a little cheap with this offer though I don't think it would be as much on top of Girard as most seem to.

Definitely agree he and Makar would be dynamite.


Girard + Newhook would be way too much. Probably a Bowers or something like that though.
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25 janv. 2021 à 18 h 26
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Girard + Newhook would be way too much. Probably a Bowers or something like that though.


Yep, that was my exact thinking as well. I'd pull the trigger on that.

There are very few ways I'd move Sammy though I'll agree there too.
26 janv. 2021 à 5 h 13
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Was expecting to see Pesce like all the rest of the Canes defense deals tend to be.

Slavin is a no-go...you’re not going to find a deal both sides would do. Think the other comments tell you why.


At least I managed to surprise you with it being Slavin at any rate! squinty smile
26 janv. 2021 à 9 h 48
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Sorry, but that's plain silly. I get Slavin is high value but to suggest he's going to fetch any of those and then some.....seriously? Rantanen they wouldn't have cap space for. MacKinnon's value is waaaay higher. Makar is the only one that you might say would be reasonable to include in trade talks when talking value and his ceiling is higher so none of those would even be in contention.


It might be a little silly, but Slavin is ELITE and on an absurdly cap friendly (TM) deal. Basically you're going to have to blow Waddell away with an offer for him to not hangup and ignore future calls.
26 janv. 2021 à 10 h 56
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with girard and toews being on fire i much perfer girard
26 janv. 2021 à 11 h 57
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Avs would have to trade a core piece of your team in order to get a core piece of the Canes team. That’s why I’ve said there isn’t a deal here. It’s not a ‘value’ based decision...it’s a team construction thing.

As mentioned, Avs wouldn’t trade McKinnon Miko or Makar for Slavin, and Canes wouldn’t trade Slavin for anything less. The rest is just playing GM on NHL21 adding picks and lesser assets to trick the computer. Not real life.
26 janv. 2021 à 19 h 6
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It might be a little silly, but Slavin is ELITE and on an absurdly cap friendly (TM) deal. Basically you're going to have to blow Waddell away with an offer for him to not hangup and ignore future calls.


Not even a little, that's a lottle lol.
26 janv. 2021 à 19 h 7
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with girard and toews being on fire i much perfer girard


They're great aren't they and as I've said before this is one of the only way I'd move Sammy.
 
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