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Créé par: TanSor
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 23 janv. 2021
Publié: 23 janv. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Would have loved to get PLD, but seeing what Winnipeg gave up there is no chance we could compete with an offer like that. Point of this post is to find top 6 center options for the Wild.

KEEP IN MIND:
Assets in each trade are meant to spark conversation and give an idea of what might be on the table. Some proposals are more concrete than others.
Transactions
1.
MIN
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Schmaltz, Nick
Détails additionnels:
ONE of these two for Dumba, but I'd prefer Schmaltz. We'd likely have to add a pick/prospect due to the term on both of their deals.
ARI
  1. Dumba, Matt
Détails additionnels:
Coyotes need help on the blue line
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FLA
  1. Beckman, Adam
  2. Boldy, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Would take a King's ransom. If it's a futures package it would likely have to include the higher of our first's this year along with Rossi or Boldy and another prospect like Khovanov or Beckman.
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MIN
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  3. Patrick, Nolan
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
ONE of Frost or Patrick (NOT BOTH) for Dumba. Maybe a 1st or 2nd round and a cap dump (Ghost maybe?) as well
PHI
    Matt Dumba
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    MIN
    1. Johansen, Ryan
    Détails additionnels:
    Don't love Johansen's cap hit and he's been disappointing in Nashville. Decent player, might revive his career on another team like Staal did with us a few years back.
    NSH
    1. Khovanov, Alexander
    2. Zuccarello, Mats
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (MIN)
    Détails additionnels:
    Some sort of futures package and Zucc. Only way it works is if we could include Zucc. Because of that, this is probably unlikely.
    5.
    MIN
    1. Hertl, Tomas
    Détails additionnels:
    Hear me out: I don't think the Sharks will trade Hertl... but he's 27 and only has 2 years left on his deal and if they decide to rebuild then it makes sense to move him for a big package of picks/prospects. Wild have a ton of nice assets for the Sharks to choose from to help replenish their prospect pool. I could see a nice fit here for both sides if that is what the Sharks decide to do.
    SJS
      Boldy
      2020 first
      Probably one of Khovanov/Beckman
      Maybe more?
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      23 janv. 2021 à 19 h 21
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      Quoting: papishark
      Dont get me wrong Barkov is the guy I would take first, but Hertl is no slouch lol, its always eastern fans who never see Hertl that think hes some second liner


      If there was a 1.5 line he would be there
      23 janv. 2021 à 19 h 38
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      Quoting: papishark
      Pass on this. Hertl will likely stick in SJ so the deal would have to include someone with the potential to replace him, which Boldy doesnt have.

      Also disagree with the guy who thinks Hertl is significantly worse than Barkov.


      Never mind, I stand corrected. Hertl is for sure a 1st line player after looking at advanced stats.
      However, I still believe that Barkov is better by a significant margin, he just had a down year in 2019-20 which makes his overall play look worse. I fully expect him to go back to 2018-19 form, which was his monster season.
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      23 janv. 2021 à 19 h 51
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      Quoting: TanSor
      He's definitely a first line player and I really, really like him but personally I'd take Barkov over him 10 times out of 10.


      I agree, but Hertl is a guy that anyone would love to have on their team, especially with his caphit
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      23 janv. 2021 à 19 h 55
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      Quoting: VijayPatel11
      Never mind, I stand corrected. Hertl is for sure a 1st line player after looking at advanced stats.
      However, I still believe that Barkov is better by a significant margin, he just had a down year in 2019-20 which makes his overall play look worse. I fully expect him to go back to 2018-19 form, which was his monster season.


      I respect that you were willing to look into it and change your mind. It is hard to judge a player just from points and limited viewings. Barkov is fantastic no doubt and I think he can be a great 90 point player in the right situation, but I think Hertls ability is to do something like what Barkov did last year, which is pretty damn good also.
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      23 janv. 2021 à 20 h 1
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      Quoting: wabit
      Glass is 6'2", 190 lbs, playing the 3C, spot with 13 mins a game. He also had around 30 (mostly Playoff) AHL games before he ever set foot in the NHL.


      I mean, he played 8 AHL games total. A couple were rehab assignments. He jumped into the NHL and got PP time immediately, as well as playing with Stone and Pacioretty for a few games. If he doesn’t get hurt last year, he’s putting up 40ish points which is precisely the goal for Rossi. As for his role as a 3C, there is legitimate reason to put him in the top 6 and part of the reason I want the Wild to peel him off. Glass was a #6 pick and Rossi was #9, the comparison holds.
      24 janv. 2021 à 5 h 8
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      Quoting: jnowariak
      I mean, he played 8 AHL games total. A couple were rehab assignments. He jumped into the NHL and got PP time immediately, as well as playing with Stone and Pacioretty for a few games. If he doesn’t get hurt last year, he’s putting up 40ish points which is precisely the goal for Rossi. As for his role as a 3C, there is legitimate reason to put him in the top 6 and part of the reason I want the Wild to peel him off. Glass was a #6 pick and Rossi was #9, the comparison holds.


      Quoting: jnowariak
      I mean, he played 8 AHL games total. A couple were rehab assignments. He jumped into the NHL and got PP time immediately, as well as playing with Stone and Pacioretty for a few games. If he doesn’t get hurt last year, he’s putting up 40ish points which is precisely the goal for Rossi. As for his role as a 3C, there is legitimate reason to put him in the top 6 and part of the reason I want the Wild to peel him off. Glass was a #6 pick and Rossi was #9, the comparison holds.


      Glass has 22 AHL Playoff games. I'm not sure how you get 40 points for him last year. He had 12p in 39 games is a 3rd line sheltered role, half his points were from the PP.
      That same 2017 draft class centers:
      -Andersson (7oa) dumped for a 2nd pick.
      -Mitts (8oa) rushed into the NHL, might be a bust at this point.
      -Rasmussen (9oa) played a NHL season playing bottom-6 wing, to get him out of the CHL, then spent the next year in the AHL
      -Vilardi (10oa) played half a season in the AHL then got a NHL cup of coffee to end the year in his 20ya season.
      -Necas (11oa) Czech league, a year in the AHL, his 1st NHL was as a 21 yo, as a wing.

      There just aren't many players that make a successful jump from the CHL/college to the NHL as a 19/20 yo top-6 center right out of the gate. Most play quality players get at least half a season in the AHL, then get their feet wet in the NHL in a sheltered role (O-zone 3/4C or playing as a wing). The NHL game is so much faster, more complex, the skill level of every player on the ice is so much higher, and players are bigger and stronger.

      This is why I really don't like the NHL/CHL transfer clause for top players. Someone like Rossi (Dumba before him) has shown he's too good for the CHL, but might not be ready for meaningful NHL minutes. A year in the AHL top-6 would be the best thing for his development. Then he should be ready to take the step NHL roster as a 20 yo.
      24 janv. 2021 à 10 h 38
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      Quoting: wabit
      Glass has 22 AHL Playoff games. I'm not sure how you get 40 points for him last year. He had 12p in 39 games is a 3rd line sheltered role, half his points were from the PP.
      That same 2017 draft class centers:
      -Andersson (7oa) dumped for a 2nd pick.
      -Mitts (8oa) rushed into the NHL, might be a bust at this point.
      -Rasmussen (9oa) played a NHL season playing bottom-6 wing, to get him out of the CHL, then spent the next year in the AHL
      -Vilardi (10oa) played half a season in the AHL then got a NHL cup of coffee to end the year in his 20ya season.
      -Necas (11oa) Czech league, a year in the AHL, his 1st NHL was as a 21 yo, as a wing.

      There just aren't many players that make a successful jump from the CHL/college to the NHL as a 19/20 yo top-6 center right out of the gate. Most play quality players get at least half a season in the AHL, then get their feet wet in the NHL in a sheltered role (O-zone 3/4C or playing as a wing). The NHL game is so much faster, more complex, the skill level of every player on the ice is so much higher, and players are bigger and stronger.

      This is why I really don't like the NHL/CHL transfer clause for top players. Someone like Rossi (Dumba before him) has shown he's too good for the CHL, but might not be ready for meaningful NHL minutes. A year in the AHL top-6 would be the best thing for his development. Then he should be ready to take the step NHL roster as a 20 yo.


      That’s exactly my point, he will step into the league when he’s 20 but that doesn’t mean he’s going to produce at a top 6 rate at that point and that’s OK. I also agree that drafted 19 year olds should be allowed to play in the AHL if they were a CHL product but cest la vie.
       
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