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My take on Dubois

Créé par: Tarlam01
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 23 janv. 2021
Publié: 23 janv. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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People are overpaying wayyyy too much for him. I know his celling is pretty high and there are no doubt about that one but c'mon.... He didn't break anything and he's not the best team guy out there. A good comparison on a trade for Dubois should be the Drouin trade. Both drafted 3rd overall and traded at about the same age with both having a 50+ pts season. Dubois is slightly more valuable because he's a center that's it. I'd reluctent to trade for him but why not speculate....
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Retained salary depending on the health of Armia and Byron.
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  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Harris, Jordan [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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23 janv. 2021 à 0 h 35
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Man talking bout no dang ol dang old Montreal Blue Jackets
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Man talking bout no dang ol dang old Montreal Blue Jackets


What the hell are you trying to say??
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Don't see why CBJ would take a gamble on an NCAA prospect on his last year of eligibility of receiving a contract. There's nothing keeping him from going to free agency. Also think you'd need to add from the Habs side.
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What the hell are you trying to say??


I think i's English ?

Or maybe drunk
23 janv. 2021 à 0 h 45
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Danault at 1 year... not happening. You're neglecting to realize that this is a drastic underpay. You don't get star players for nothing. (50 games of Danault, who is lower tier, and has no contract certainty doesn't compare)

Common trend here:

All MTL forwards: "This guy requires four firsts, three top prospects and a boatload of cash to move"

Any other team's forward: "Oh yeah they're massively overrated and you guys are overpaying"

the irony is ripe.
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Don't see why CBJ would take a gamble on an NCAA prospect on his last year of eligibility of receiving a contract. There's nothing keeping him from going to free agency. Also think you'd need to add from the Habs side.


Harris was part of the WJC U20 last year for team USA. He was one of the best dmen out there. CBJ needs publicity with american prospect and we have way too much left handed dmen. Nah the trade value is here Danault alone is a very good defensive centermen. These assets are fair for both sides
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Danault at 1 year... not happening. You're neglecting to realize that this is a drastic underpay. You don't get star players for nothing. (50 games of Danault, who is lower tier, and has no contract certainty doesn't compare)

Common trend here:

All MTL forwards: "This guy requires four firsts, three top prospects and a boatload of cash to move"

Any other team's forward: "Oh yeah they're massively overrated and you guys are overpaying"

the irony is ripe.


MTL is 1st in the league right now. Oh yeah they're overrated sorry
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Danault at 1 year... not happening. You're neglecting to realize that this is a drastic underpay. You don't get star players for nothing. (50 games of Danault, who is lower tier, and has no contract certainty doesn't compare)

Common trend here:

All MTL forwards: "This guy requires four firsts, three top prospects and a boatload of cash to move"

Any other team's forward: "Oh yeah they're massively overrated and you guys are overpaying"

the irony is ripe.


I think ur blind man I said Danault + extension. Of course without extension there is no deal there are no doubt about it
23 janv. 2021 à 0 h 50
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Danault at 1 year... not happening. You're neglecting to realize that this is a drastic underpay. You don't get star players for nothing. (50 games of Danault, who is lower tier, and has no contract certainty doesn't compare)

Common trend here:

All MTL forwards: "This guy requires four firsts, three top prospects and a boatload of cash to move"

Any other team's forward: "Oh yeah they're massively overrated and you guys are overpaying"

the irony is ripe.


Dubois' highest season point total was 8 points above Danault's highest season point total. The latter's been involved in Selke conversations the past 2 seasons.

The upside is there on PLD. The question is whether -- in terms of recent centres trades -- he's the next Ryan Johansen or Ryan O'Reilly
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no matter what u think a 22 year old #1 center is worth more

Bergy's offer is much higher then this, guaranteed
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I think ur blind man I said Danault + extension. Of course without extension there is no deal there are no doubt about it


And why should we assume that Danault will realistically extend in CBJ? Trades in the NHL arent made with extensions in mind, and I can assure you the rapid nature of this trade doesn't allow for one to be made in time for the trade.

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Dubois' highest season point total was 8 points above Danault's highest season point total. The latter's been involved in Selke conversations the past 2 seasons.

The upside is there on PLD. The question is whether -- in terms of recent centres trades -- he's the next Ryan Johansen or Ryan O'Reilly


We are comparing Danault, who has just gotten on the radar, to someone who already pretty much at his level at 22 years old.

Quoting: Tarlam01
MTL is 1st in the league right now. Oh yeah they're overrated sorry


I mean, if you want to be excited after 6 games, then be my guest? Don't see what this has to do with your argument.
23 janv. 2021 à 0 h 54
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no matter what u think a 22 year old #1 center is worth more

Bergy's offer is much higher then this, guaranteed


So true. Why would Jarmo accept this brutal trade if Chevy or Bob Murray already has twice the value on the table? The majority (not all of them, some of y'all are cool) of CF habs fans drive me bazerk.
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no matter what u think a 22 year old #1 center is worth more

Bergy's offer is much higher then this, guaranteed


Then Kekelainen should go with Winnipeg. Apparently they're willing to trade a 22 year old winger with 140 goals for 22 year old center wuth 66 goals... xD The value of Dubois is dropping faster than McDavid's speed
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Dubois' highest season point total was 8 points above Danault's highest season point total. The latter's been involved in Selke conversations the past 2 seasons.

The upside is there on PLD. The question is whether -- in terms of recent centres trades -- he's the next Ryan Johansen or Ryan O'Reilly


Ryan Johansen put up two seasons of 60+ points, on a worse CLB team and he didn't have Panarin playing with him.
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Then Kekelainen should go with Winnipeg. Apparently they're willing to trade a 22 year old winger with 140 goals for 22 year old center wuth 66 goals... xD The value of Dubois is dropping faster than McDavid's speed


https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1352856174778064896?s=19

appears this is exactly what they will be doing lol.

You are trying to make a very solid young player sound valueless... his stats are impressive, especially given he's been stuck with a coach he dislikes. My bet is you are also one of those who amps up KK and Caufield to have over the top and unrealistic value.
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And why should we assume that Danault will realistically extend in CBJ? Trades in the NHL arent made with extensions in mind, and I can assure you the rapid nature of this trade doesn't allow for one to be made in time for the trade.


We are comparing Danault, who has just gotten on the radar, to someone who already pretty much at his level at 22 years old.



I mean, if you want to be excited after 6 games, then be my guest? Don't see what this has to do with your argument.


22 but in his 4th season... It's not like he's a prospect at this point.
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And why should we assume that Danault will realistically extend in CBJ? Trades in the NHL arent made with extensions in mind, and I can assure you the rapid nature of this trade doesn't allow for one to be made in time for the trade.



We are comparing Danault, who has just gotten on the radar, to someone who already pretty much at his level at 22 years old.



I mean, if you want to be excited after 6 games, then be my guest? Don't see what this has to do with your argument.


You need to understand that Danault would also certainly be included in the trade because CLB would need to take back salary and he's the one with the most value. I doubt they want what is essential a cap dumb in Byron (I like the player but lets be honest). Other stuff would be included but I can't see it working unless Danault goes the other way + Caufield or maybe a D prospect (I don't know what columbus needs more)
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Then Kekelainen should go with Winnipeg. Apparently they're willing to trade a 22 year old winger with 140 goals for 22 year old center wuth 66 goals... xD The value of Dubois is dropping faster than McDavid's speed


well Mcdavid's only getting quicker so dunna bout that

really wish he does to WPG, if we gotta trade him... wouldn't get better value for Laine anywhere else

AND..... no more Laine to MTL trades.... bliss
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The fact is that laine and roslovic are on the table. Even if CBJ needs to add to make the trade work. If you are not going to offer anything remotely close in value there is no point in proposing trades. The Jets and other teams in the league value him highly, if you don’t then no need to trade for him.

The only way Dubois goes to mtl is if Suzuki goes the other way. I wouldn’t do that and neither would most people. He will be traded elsewhere not for some scraps.
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“ A good comparison on a trade for Dubois should be the Drouin trade. Both drafted 3rd overall and traded at about the same age with both having a 50+ pts season. Dubois is slightly more valuable because he's a center that's it.”

I get you’re trying to find a comp for PLD but you’re doing yourself a disservice when you strictly compare just point totals or even reference a meaningless draft position. Drouin is a pure offensive player that doesn’t know what a 200ft game looks like while PLD is more of a 2 way guy. Also center vs winger is a pretty big deal as wingers are probably the easiest to be replaced via FA while a bonafide young top 6 center barely is available.
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If you were the Habs Gm and that was your offer, then Jarmo would have said you are out. Sorry but, Columbus already has one of the best defense corp in the league, PD could walk where as PLD is controlled for 4 more years. You talk about everyone over valuing PLD, well you sir have swung the other way and undervalued him.
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What the hell are you trying to say??


I’m acting like Boomhauer from King of the Hill.
 
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