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Dubois Minnesota

Créé par: Leafs05
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 20 janv. 2021
Publié: 20 janv. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
No team needs a centre more than the Wild. Dubois is the perfect choice.
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MIN
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc (1 000 000 $ retained)
CBJ
  1. Addison, Calen
  2. Rask, Victor
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
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Matthew Boldy
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20 janv. 2021 à 15 h 46
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Rossi.
20 janv. 2021 à 15 h 49
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Quoting: leafs101
Rossi.


There is zero chance a Dubois deal returns Rossi or another prospect like Rossi. Teams do not trade those, and there is no point for the Wild to do so.
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 2
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There is zero chance a Dubois deal returns Rossi or another prospect like Rossi. Teams do not trade those, and there is no point for the Wild to do so.


yes, teams trade 9th overall picks for 22 year old #1Cs if they are available.
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20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 4
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yes, teams trade 9th overall picks for 22 year old #1Cs if they are available.


Well this isn't really relevant is it, considering Dubois isn't a 1C and Rossi isn't your average 9th overall pick. It was a good attempt to oversimplify the situation to fit your narrative though. Nice try.
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 8
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Well this isn't really relevant is it, considering Dubois isn't a 1C and Rossi isn't your average 9th overall pick. It was a good attempt to oversimplify the situation to fit your narrative though. Nice try.

Dubois is proven and only 22. Rossi++ would be the package to get him back and anyone who thinks otherwise is overvaluing their own players.
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20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 9
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Dubois is proven and only 22. Rossi++ would be the package to get him back and anyone who thinks otherwise is overvaluing their own players.


Oh, value-wise, sure. Reality is a different animal though. Rossi isn't being traded for Dubois. If that's a deal breaker for Columbus, they'll send him elsewhere. I can guarantee you, if Dubois ends up in Minnesota, Rossi will still be here.
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 12
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The ironic thing to me is this trade is essentially Zucker, Rask, and Boldy for Dubois. I'd make this deal
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20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 18
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Well this isn't really relevant is it, considering Dubois isn't a 1C and Rossi isn't your average 9th overall pick. It was a good attempt to oversimplify the situation to fit your narrative though. Nice try.


Except Dubois IS a 1C lol. He's get 70-75 pts with a better offensive team around him
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 20
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Dubois is proven and only 22. Rossi++ would be the package to get him back and anyone who thinks otherwise is overvaluing their own players.


Define proven because I see a center who has a high of 61 points playing with Panarin and 49 points in 70 games playing without him (not a huge drop, but still a drop). As a Wild fan, I'd be happy with those points for a 1C but that's because the Wild have never really had a legit 1C (aside from Staal's 17-18 season really). PLD is young and could keep getting better but he also could just be a solid 2C and I'd hate to be the GM who overpays for that.
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Except Dubois IS a 1C lol. He's get 70-75 pts with a better offensive team around him


He got 61 points playing with a 90 point Panarin and a 40 goal Atkinson (Ryan Strome got 59 points with Panarin, and no one is mistaking Strome as a 1C). Pump the brakes bud. There is nothing you can provide that proves he's a 1C at this point. And his 1 point in 4 games so far aren't doing much to indicate that he's taken the next step. If he needs elite wingers to put up low end 1C numbers, he's not a 1C.
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He got 61 points playing with a 90 point Panarin and a 40 goal Atkinson. Pump the brakes bud. There is nothing you can provide that proves he's a 1C at this point. And his 1 point in 4 games so far aren't doing much to indicate that he's taken the next step. If he needs elite wingers to put up low end 1C numbers, he's not a 1C.


Ah yes, good thing he was only a sophomore at that point lol. He wasn't anywhere near his prime. Now he's got much more maturity
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Define proven because I see a center who has a high of 61 points playing with Panarin and 49 points in 70 games playing without him (not a huge drop, but still a drop). As a Wild fan, I'd be happy with those points for a 1C but that's because the Wild have never really had a legit 1C (aside from Staal's 17-18 season really). PLD is young and could keep getting better but he also could just be a solid 2C and I'd hate to be the GM who overpays for that.

That was at 20 and 21 respectively. He also didn't center Panarin the whole season that year. I see a player that is stronger, more mature and put up 10pts in 10 playoff games last year. I'm not even a CBJ fan, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but when a 22 year old, 6'3", 218lb center, who can skate well and just came of a point per game playoff, hits the trade market, the cost inflates. I'm not even saying it's going to be worth whatever someone has to give up to get him, only time will tell, I'm just stating that the going rate is going to be STEEP.
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Ah yes, good thing he was only a sophomore at that point lol. He wasn't anywhere near his prime. Now he's got much more maturity


Not all players improve exponentially throughout their careers. And as JayTea pointed out, his next season he regressed to 49 points.

You seem to have shifted the goalposts pretty quickly from "he IS a 1C" to "well he hasn't hit his prime yet".

Let's wait for him to give us any kind of evidence that he's a 1C before we declare him one.
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That was at 20 and 21 respectively. He also didn't center Panarin the whole season that year. I see a player that is stronger, more mature and put up 10pts in 10 playoff games last year. I'm not even a CBJ fan, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but when a 22 year old, 6'3", 218lb center, who can skate well and just came of a point per game playoff, hits the trade market, the cost inflates. I'm not even saying it's going to be worth whatever someone has to give up to get him, only time will tell, I'm just stating that the going rate is going to be STEEP.


10 games sample size is what you're hanging his value on? What happens if he only scores 2 more points in the next 6 games, for 3 points in these first 10 games? Are we going to ignore that sample size because it doesn't fit the narrative and it's too small?

I was a huge fan of Dubois at the draft, and I think he can be a really good player. He's never going to reach the level of MacKinnon, Matthews, Eichel, and I'm not even sure he'll hit Barkov/Scheifele territory. He's being overrated because he's young, was drafted high, and is big. Once you look at what he's actually done, it's clear he's not the player some think he is.
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Rask is barely an NHLer.
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Not all players improve exponentially throughout their careers. And as JayTea pointed out, his next season he regressed to 49 points.

You seem to have shifted the goalposts pretty quickly from "he IS a 1C" to "well he hasn't hit his prime yet".

Let's wait for him to give us any kind of evidence that he's a 1C before we declare him one.


Yeah, he did drop to 49 pts.
But you fail to realize his team dropped from 256 goals so 180 goals from 18-19 to 19-20. Ok, they did have quite a bit of injury issues (and this statement in a pretty big euphemism) but still, losing 76 goals is FREAKING HUGE to any team. Plus the season got shortened. He'd be in the 52-53-54-55 pts range if Covid didn't happen.

And yeah you can be a 1C and not be in your prime lol. Do you seriously believe Matthews was in his prime at 19 years of age in 16-17??? Nah he wasn't. Same goes for PLD
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Yeah, he did drop to 49 pts.
But you fail to realize his team dropped from 256 goals so 180 goals from 18-19 to 19-20. Ok, they did have quite a bit of injury issues (and this statement in a pretty big euphemism) but still, losing 76 goals is FREAKING HUGE to any team. Plus the season got shortened. He'd be in the 62-63-64-65 pts range if Covid didn't happen.

And yeah you can be a 1C and not be in your prime lol. Do you seriously believe Matthews was in his prime at 19 years of age in 16-17??? Nah he wasn't. Same goes for PLD


You can be a 1C and not in your prime, correct. Dubois isn't that.
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 33
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Then Columbus will just bury him on the taxi squad or AHL. He's just so Minnesota has cap space to make the trade
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
That was at 20 and 21 respectively. He also didn't center Panarin the whole season that year. I see a player that is stronger, more mature and put up 10pts in 10 playoff games last year. I'm not even a CBJ fan, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but when a 22 year old, 6'3", 218lb center, who can skate well and just came of a point per game playoff, hits the trade market, the cost inflates. I'm not even saying it's going to be worth whatever someone has to give up to get him, only time will tell, I'm just stating that the going rate is going to be STEEP.


Any player can get hot for a stretch of games, so I wouldn't put too much stock into the 10 points in 10 playoff games. As you said, he's still young and could indeed become an absolute stud but he's not there yet and that's why I said define proven because he doesn't have a track record to support officially dubbing him a 1C. You're probably right that the price will be steep, but that might just be a hockey trade for a player the CBJ like that fits Tort's system. I'd like to see him traded just to see what someone actually is willing to offer.
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Yeah, he did drop to 49 pts.
But you fail to realize his team dropped from 256 goals so 180 goals from 18-19 to 19-20. Ok, they did have quite a bit of injury issues (and this statement in a pretty big euphemism) but still, losing 76 goals is FREAKING HUGE to any team. Plus the season got shortened. He'd be in the 52-53-54-55 pts range if Covid didn't happen.

And yeah you can be a 1C and not be in your prime lol. Do you seriously believe Matthews was in his prime at 19 years of age in 16-17??? Nah he wasn't. Same goes for PLD


Matthews also put up 40 goals, 69 points in his rookie season so not exactly an apples to apples comparison there.. lol
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Not all players improve exponentially throughout their careers. And as JayTea pointed out, his next season he regressed to 49 points.

You seem to have shifted the goalposts pretty quickly from "he IS a 1C" to "well he hasn't hit his prime yet".

Let's wait for him to give us any kind of evidence that he's a 1C before we declare him one.


49 in 70 games. then 10 points in 10 games in the playoffs. That's 59 in 80 games. Not really a regression.
20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 41
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49 in 70 games. then 10 points in 10 games in the playoffs. That's 59 in 80 games. Not really a regression.


I'm glad you agree that there's nothing to indicate he's a 1C at this point.
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49 in 70 games. then 10 points in 10 games in the playoffs. That's 59 in 80 games. Not really a regression.


Considering he wasn't entirely ready to offensively drive a team that's pretty good. Not elite but good
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20 janv. 2021 à 16 h 49
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I'm glad you agree that there's nothing to indicate he's a 1C at this point.


~60 points as a 20/21/22 year old is very impressive. Top C quality production on a lot of teams, elite 2C on a contender. And this is production on an offensively weak team as well. He'd be the best C MIN has had in years, playing with Kap or Fiala would give him great help (no Panarin wasn't on his line). I'd argue he's a 1C based on solid production and two-way game, but if you're not convinced he certainly will be within the next couple of years.
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~60 points as a 20/21/22 year old is very impressive. Top C quality production on a lot of teams, elite 2C on a contender. And this is production on an offensively weak team as well. He'd be the best C MIN has had in years, playing with Kap or Fiala would give him great help (no Panarin wasn't on his line). I'd argue he's a 1C based on solid production and two-way game, but if you're not convinced he certainly will be within the next couple of years.


Off the top of my head, Ryan Strome had a 50 point season as a 21 year old, and Ryan Nugent Hopkins averaged 58 per 82 from ages 18 to 22.

Are those guys 1C's?
 
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