Toronto adds a 1st

Both teams decline.

With the D-men lost from Bruins they really can't afford to lose Carlo, and the Leafs would be in a real pickle with re-signing the guy as the money is tight.

IMO, TOR adds. Holl was a 28 year old rookie for a reason. I get he played pretty decently last year, but decent isn't the same as good. Robertson is indeed a nice piece, but isn't a corner stone piece that BOS is likely looking for in return.

they fill a need for eachother but at the same time leave a hole

definitely not

Cdn_bacon am i still marked as a GM on discord? I'd rather start fresh from a new team

Bruins would have to add.

Carlo is a better defensman than Holl for sure, but Robertson has shown a very high ceiling. The trade would be better as Holl and somone like SDA or Korshkov for Carlo.

Hahahahahahaha. Yikes.

The trade never happens because the bruins need top four d more than the need second line help, but it would take nylander.

That is actually insane that you think Carlo would get anything close to Nylander...

To be clear, i think the bruins would turn it down.

I also never think toronto would offer it.

Boston’s D is already bad enough, moving Carlo would be detrimental.

That's some hefty bait for your trolling venture.

Once again, a heavy bias against TO. Holl was a 28 year old rookie yes, but it doesn't really matter when he is a good player who is right now playing important shutdown minutes for TO at only 2 million, on top of that, Robertson would have been a top 10 pick in the last draft had he been born a couple of days later. All for a stay at home defenceman who I am not sure is a huge improvement over Holl. It's not that Carlo is bad, he's fine, but he certainly isn't great. Robertson may become great and Holl is fine. TO doesn't even consider this, it's not at all necessary.

That guy is adamant every defenceman in the league who isn't in TO is worth Nylander and several other assets.

I just think the bias is in your favor. I don't have a horse in this race and you do. There are zero Blackhawks in this trade. I watch the Bruins and Leafs as a neutral observer. Holl indeed had a decnet year. I said as much. Robertson being a top 10 pick? Isn't this the definition of hometown bias... When the player that your team drafted all of a sudden becomes a top 10 pick/prospect when other players in the same league performed better? Do you really think he'd be picked over Perfetti or Rossi? They got 111 points and 120 points respectively. Robertson got 86 and is a year older.

while im not saying he would have been top 10, your argument is flawed, roberston played in less games than them, and rossi is a week younger than robertson

Leafs add but it doesn’t really matter Bs are not moving him.

Five guys they simply cannot move. The first line Mac and Carlo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

That's fair. I didn't look at birthdays. I just looked at an entire extra season in the OHL. That's a good point you brought up. the PPG is still in favor or Rossi, but I can also see you're not suggesting he'd be top 10. NR is a good player for sure!

yeah he would have been in between rossi and perfetti for points, and yeah i cant say top 10 yet, hasnt been enough time but i do think hed go higher than the 2nd round in a redraft of the 2019 draft

To be fair....Hall for Larsson. Everyone would have said the same thing about Larsson. And Carlo is better. Lol.

So logically yes. But in order for Boston to part with Carlo you’d have to give them a reason too. They don’t need to and it does not make them better.

Robertson is not a year older than Perfetti, he is less than 4 months older. He also got 86 in 46 games. Perfetti got 111 in 61. Has Robertson played as many games he would have had 114 points and over 70 goals. So yes had he been born a couple of days later, Robertson would have 100% been a top 10 pick. He would have been hailed as the best goal scorer in the draft as well. So this isn't a bias, it's looking at the facts and coming to a reasonable conclusion. You automatically lower the value of the Leaf players without even looking into it. Seriously were you not one of the guys to call Nylander just a 60 point winger and equal value to Saad for 2 full years until he was on pace for 40 goals and 70+ points? This is the bias I am talking about. If you didn't have a bias, you'd see Carlo as just a good 2nd pair defensive defenceman. And then you'd look at Holl last year and Holl so far this year and say, Carlo is younger so he's got more value but it's really not remotely close to Robertson as the difference.

That is fair. And on the flip side, why would TO want to over pay for him? Holl has been good in the exact role we would hope Carlo would fill, and at 2 million a season that is terrific value. Spending big to get similar results is just poor judgement.

He would have gone before Perfetti and he would have been the top goalscorer in the draft. He is without a doubt a top 10 pick in this draft had he been a couple of days later.

Carlo wouldn't be enough to get Robertson.

I'm absolutely the guy that calls Nylander a 61 point winger. That's just a fact. We can make all the excuses in the world, but it won't change that his career high is 61 points. Will he break that this year? I fully expect him to, YES. ***EDIT*** I forgot about the shortened season...I hope for his sake he gets that monkey off his back*** I also get on Malkin and Kane for being 1 dimensional players too. Both of light years ahead of Nylander, but that's a different post. I can also admit I like Kane more than Malkin...because of my bias. I fully understand and admit that. The whole Saad vs Nylander is comparing apples and orange. Saad is a powerful 2-way top line winger. He's that way for the Aves too. He didn't lose value just because he's not on my team. He's a playoff built player that helps allow the other more one dimensional players (Nylander) focus on their singular dimension. I guess I value 2-way players more than most and I'm allowed to have that opinion.