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Cole vs Pateryn

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Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 19 janv. 2021
Publié: 19 janv. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
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  1. Cole, Ian (1 000 000 $ retained)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 233 887 $0 $5 425 000 $266 113 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 571 429 $5 571 429 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
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4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
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3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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874 125 $874 125 $
C
UFA - 1
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2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
UFA - 1
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3 333 333 $3 333 333 $
G
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 7
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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3 166 667 $3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 3
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
AD
RFA - 3
Équipe de réserve
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DD
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG
UFA - 1
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842 500 $842 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
G
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
G
UFA - 2

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19 janv. 2021 à 17 h 24
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nvm.

Odd trade for MN to make
19 janv. 2021 à 17 h 26
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19 janv. 2021 à 17 h 37
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it's just moving a player out to make room for timmins and Byram. EJ is back so now it was getting crammed with him there. Hopefully we only retain the mil so we cleared a little space for an upgrade at 3C
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19 janv. 2021 à 21 h 16
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Not a fan, but in Joe we trust. On face value it's a loss for the Avs. All depends on Joe's next move.
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20 janv. 2021 à 8 h 26
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Not a fan, but in Joe we trust. On face value it's a loss for the Avs. All depends on Joe's next move.


What don't you like about the trade?
21 janv. 2021 à 9 h 34
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What don't you like about the trade?


I can see the logic in it to open up cap space, and in Joe trying to do right by Cole but the whole original point (or so I thought) of signing Cole was his cup and playoff experience and to mentor the kids. We're also now down to 0 true defensive Dmen to my mind (a number of 2 way guys but to me Cole was the only true defensive D we had). I'm happy to wait and see what Joe does with it though. The other point is I think Cole was worth more than Pateryn.
21 janv. 2021 à 9 h 50
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I can see the logic in it to open up cap space, and in Joe trying to do right by Cole but the whole original point (or so I thought) of signing Cole was his cup and playoff experience and to mentor the kids. We're also now down to 0 true defensive Dmen to my mind (a number of 2 way guys but to me Cole was the only true defensive D we had). I'm happy to wait and see what Joe does with it though. The other point is I think Cole was worth more than Pateryn.


Cole's playoff experience is a loss for sure, but I would argue that it's not as valuable as it was 2 and a half years ago when he was signed. Back then the Avs were coming off a 1st round playoff loss to Nashville, and the roster was extremely inexperienced. Fast forward to today, and the team has been to game 7 of the 2nd round twice, and has since also added a lot of guys who also have playoff experience - including Saad, Toews, Donskoi, and Burakovsky, all of whom have either won cups (Saad x2, Burakovsky x1) or been to the cup final (Donskoi), or conference final (Toews).

I would also argue that whatever Cole had to teach the younger guys like Makar, Girard, etc, he'll already have taught them in the last 1-2 years, so there's diminishing returns the longer he stays at the club.

As for being a "true defensive Dman", I would argue that being a purely defensive Dman doesn't necessarily mean that the player is better at defending than a guy who's a 2 way guy. For example, I'd much rather have Toews out on the ice in a defensive situation, rather than Cole, because Toews is just better overall.

As far as his value is concerned, I think you have to really take into account the fact that he had a much larger caphit than befitted his role on the team as a 6/7/8 Dman. Had he had a $2m caphit I'm sure we would have gotten better value for him (or just kept him), but the fact is that capspace was a crucial element here, evidenced by the fact that Sakic retained $800k.

The jury is still out on how that capspace will be used though. If it goes completely unused then we might think differently about this trade, but I think it's pretty likely that Sakic will make a move to use that newfound cap space.
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21 janv. 2021 à 9 h 53
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Fair points and that last part goes to my thinking about it and why I say 'In Joe we trust'. Got to be thinking the sneaky bugger has something else up his sleeve! tears of joy
 
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