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Ok fine rebuilding Nashville for the second time today

Créé par: AndrewLadd
Équipe: 2021-22 Predators de Nashville
Date de création initiale: 19 janv. 2021
Publié: 19 janv. 2021
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This time it’s really a rebuild. All trades made after the expansion draft. All firsts r top 5 protected.
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NSH
ANA
  1. Grimaldi, Rocco
Détails additionnels:
Expansion draft
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  1. Beecher, John [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (BOS)
BOS
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
Détails additionnels:
Comes w an extension.
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  1. Bean, Jake [Droits de RFA]
  2. Gardiner, Jake
  3. Pashin, Alexander [Liste de réserve]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
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NSH
  1. Smith, C.J. [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (BUF)
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  1. Niku, Sami
  2. Roslovic, Jack [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
WPG
  1. Johansen, Ryan (1 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Only way RoJo gets traded is w retention IMO.
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NSH
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Lind, Kole [Droits de RFA]
  3. Rafferty, Brogan [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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NSH
  1. Dellandrea, Ty
  2. Honka, Julius [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (DAL)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Forsberg, Filip
Détails additionnels:
Deadline trade, comes w an extension.
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19 janv. 2021 à 11 h 45
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@gmgb @Jeuck75 are you not entertained?
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19 janv. 2021 à 11 h 47
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Forsberg in Dallas would be sweet
19 janv. 2021 à 11 h 58
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Quoting: AndrewLadd
@gmgb @Jeuck75 are you not entertained?

They might not be, but to me THIS IS A REBUILD!
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 0
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They might not be, but to me THIS IS A REBUILD!


Exactly
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 12
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Entertained - absolutely. If I were David Poile though, I'm afraid I'd decline pretty much everything here.
19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 14
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The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.
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Forsberg in Dallas would be sweet


Yes, it would be different to say the least.
19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 19
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Entertained - absolutely. If I were David Poile though, I'm afraid I'd decline pretty much everything here.

Well at least ur entertained
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 20
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The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.

Ik and tbh I agree, but my goal here was to try to satisfy the fans of both teams
19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 21
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The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.


Lmao, I'm sure it was. Not remotely realistic though.
19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 38
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Dont think BOS bites on that one. When Arvi was in the mix it changes things (not saying it was fair value.. I mentioned Debrusk probably wouldve had to be included for NSH). The prospect pool is so scarce in BOS that they may shy away from this one.
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Dont think BOS bites on that one. When Arvi was in the mix it changes things. The prospect pool is so scarce in BOS that they may shy away from this one.


That’s definitely fair
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 41
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That’s definitely fair


Definitely nailed the player fits and values in my mind though.
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 43
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That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.
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That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.


Agreed, I think they’re a huge candidate for a tear down soon and it would certainly make for a lot of creative acgms on this website
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Definitely nailed the player fits and values in my mind though.


Thank you! Did my best, it was hard to do it for 6 separate trades that’s for sure
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19 janv. 2021 à 12 h 50
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Agreed, I think they’re a huge candidate for a tear down soon and it would certainly make for a lot of creative acgms on this website


yep. I can't wait to see what people think Josi will go for. There's a couple teams that could really use a top notch LD but i fail to see too many teams being willing to pay what Nashville might want.
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19 janv. 2021 à 13 h 16
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That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.


I'm not as high on a lot of these prospects as you. Dellandrea is an intriguing middle six prospect, but not as the main piece in a Forsberg trade. Niku, Lind, Roslovic are okayish depth pieces, but NSH's prospect pool has a lot of that right now. It's the high end prospects they're lacking and if they're trading talent like Arvidsson, Forsberg, Ekholm, the Preds should be be able to get some higher ceiling prospects back.
19 janv. 2021 à 13 h 59
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That is a LOT for Arvidsson... I don't know that Carolina would entertain this. Pashin right now is the organisations best prospect (currently playing, and in terms of production) Bean AND Gardiner... it would hurt a LOT to lose them both. I just don't think this works.
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I'm not as high on a lot of these prospects as you. Dellandrea is an intriguing middle six prospect, but not as the main piece in a Forsberg trade. Niku, Lind, Roslovic are okayish depth pieces, but NSH's prospect pool has a lot of that right now. It's the high end prospects they're lacking and if they're trading talent like Arvidsson, Forsberg, Ekholm, the Preds should be be able to get some higher ceiling prospects back.


Fair enough. Just a difference of opinion on the prospects ceilings. I'm also considering the 1st round picks being able to restock the group. This isn't a quick turn around. Nashville would surely be bad for 2-3 seasons. If we could get a top 3 pick in the 2022 draft and end up with one of Wright, Lambert, or Savoie we'd be much closer to completing a rebuild. In 2023, you have Bedard, Yager, and Heidt as C prospects as well. If we can get better prospects that great but this is a very solid supporting cast. Typically you have to draft that very top tier group.

The way I see it:

Between Bean, Farrance, Davies, Del Gaizo, Fabbro, Chistyakov, and Yeryomenko, I think Nashville would have a solid group of future dmen.

Tomasino, Tolvanen, Roslovic, Kunin, Dellandrea, Lind, Afanasyev set a solid future wing base though top end skill is questionable. Tomasino has the makings of a good top 6 RW/C. Kunin looks like a good middle 6 RW. Roslovic could land anywhere in the top 9. Tolvanen should settle in somewhere in the middle 6. Afanasyev and Dellandrea should end up as middle 6 Cs. Throw in a couple top 5 picks, a UFA or two, and several 1st round picks and I think the team would round out and be much younger.

It would likely take 4-5 years to be truly competitive again but the bubble gum and glue aren't working. The team average age is 28. We should be peaking but we've steadily declined since the trip to the cup finals.
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19 janv. 2021 à 14 h 17
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That is a LOT for Arvidsson... I don't know that Carolina would entertain this. Pashin right now is the organisations best prospect (currently playing, and in terms of production) Bean AND Gardiner... it would hurt a LOT to lose them both. I just don't think this works.


Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.
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19 janv. 2021 à 14 h 32
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Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.


Yeah you're in the same boat as I am with Pashin. I looked through various articles on Hurricanes prospects trying to glean what his perceived value may be and didn't come up with much. Also currently Gardiner is a 3rd pairing D that doesn't play on the PK and in a cap strapped world 4.05M for a 3rd pairing dman being given very limited minutes is more of a cap dump then viewed as a must keep player.

I think Edmonton would also love Arvidsson. Modeled after the Carolina trade here, it'd be something like Broberg, 1st, Siikanen, James Neal.
19 janv. 2021 à 14 h 33
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Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.


Pashin was a 2nd round projected pick who fell like a stone. He's currently over a PPG in the Russian MHL (equivalent to juniors) and is getting games in both the VHL (Russian AHL) and the KHL. He's incredibly great going forward, and fell a lot because he's 5'7. He could easily have gone in the late 1st/early 2nd. He is an incredible talent.

I understand that Arvidsson would be an expensive piece, but I would imagine a more suitable center piece is someone like Bokk or Gunler, who are both naturally gifted scorers. While depth scoring is a SERIOUS need for the Hurricanes (yes, it is their major need, not goaltending) I can't see it for this price.
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Pashin was a 2nd round projected pick who fell like a stone. He's currently over a PPG in the Russian MHL (equivalent to juniors) and is getting games in both the VHL (Russian AHL) and the KHL. He's incredibly great going forward, and fell a lot because he's 5'7. He could easily have gone in the late 1st/early 2nd. He is an incredible talent.

I understand that Arvidsson would be an expensive piece, but I would imagine a more suitable center piece is someone like Bokk or Gunler, who are both naturally gifted scorers. While depth scoring is a SERIOUS need for the Hurricanes (yes, it is their major need, not goaltending) I can't see it for this price.


Having read up on Pashin a little now, it sounds like CAR found a nice prospect, relative to his draft position. I don't think he has the trade value of anything near to a late 1st/early 2nd though. If any GM felt his value was anything close to that, he would have been selected well before the 7th round. Maybe he exceeds expectations, but it would take at least a season or two for him to be able show he's worth more than a late round pick.

Gunler is nice. Bokk is too (but there's a big gap between the two). Neither is enough to be the main piece in an Arvi proposal for me though.
19 janv. 2021 à 15 h 15
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Having read up on Pashin a little now, it sounds like CAR found a nice prospect, relative to his draft position. I don't think he has the trade value of anything near to a late 1st/early 2nd though. If any GM felt his value was anything close to that, he would have been selected well before the 7th round. Maybe he exceeds expectations, but it would take at least a season or two for him to be able show he's worth more than a late round pick.

Gunler is nice. Bokk is too (but there's a big gap between the two). Neither is enough to be the main piece in an Arvi proposal for me though.


Pashin is was ranked as one of the best prospects going into the draft. Scouts love him. He fell because he's tiny. Not because he's a bad kid. He's VERY talented going forward, although he does have some issues defensively. He was projected to be a 2nd rounder. He fell to the 7th. That doesn't mean he's not good enough to have gone in the 2nd round because it's quite wrong, and that is the approach you are taking here.

Gunler and Bokk are very similar, I don't think you truly know the quality of each piece if you think there's a large gap between the two. However, if neither are a starting piece, then I do not see a way in which a deal can be made.
 
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