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The MAX Id give for PLD

Créé par: Nagster
Date de création initiale: jan 15, 2021
Publié: 15 jan à 12 h 14
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Just some quick notes about the habs:

1. Suzuki and KK are, in my opinion, untouchable. so is romanov.

2. I hate to give up someone like Cole Caufield, but for PLD, it makes sense.

3. This is the absolute max I’d be willing to trade for PLD. Obviously would try for a little less is possible, but I’d be willing with this package

4. If this is not enough, and another player would have to be included that is not Nick, KK or Romi, I would not do the trade, and would stay put for the moment.

5. I think this trade happens on trade deadline day

6. Please leave comments, would love your opinions.
Transactions
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
CBJ
  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. Caufield, Cole [Liste de réserve]
  4. Byron, Paul
  5. Mete, Victor
  6. 2021 1e round pick (MTL)
  7. 2021 5e round pick (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
Note: Danualt extends 5x4

Byron included for cap purposes, 5th is included to make up the difference between danault+byron and PLD
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 3 958 333 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
MTL
TBL
MTL
CHI
WSH
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $79 322 976 $0 $3 137 500 $2 177 024 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
CBJ
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
5 000 000 $
C
RFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 7
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Perry, Corey
750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
750 000 $ (0 $)
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Frolík, Michael
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $ (325 000 $)
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
737 500 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Belzile, Alex
700 000 $ (0 $)
AD, C
UFA - 1

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15 jan à 12 h 17
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dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older
15 jan à 12 h 18
#2
Formerly Jamiepo
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Take out mete and the 5th. Seems like an offer cbj shouldn’t refuse.
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15 jan à 12 h 19
#3
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You are about to ba trolled hard. However I think you can offer Danault + Struble/Harris + 1st and may only have to add another 1st or 2nd for a deal to work
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15 jan à 12 h 19
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AHHHH OUAIS
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Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older
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15 jan à 12 h 20
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Quoting: vr1995
dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older


I don’t think he is saying kk is better. I agree with the OP, I would keep kk and Suzuki.
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15 jan à 12 h 24
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I don’t think he is saying kk is better. I agree with the OP, I would keep kk and Suzuki.


no i know but due to the small age difference i dont understand how kk is untouchable
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15 jan à 12 h 24
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Zuke is the goat
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Quoting: vr1995
dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older


Yeah he is as we are speaking, but KK may very well turn out to be the better player in the long term and even this year.
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15 jan à 12 h 26
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Quoting: math731
Yeah he is as we are speaking, but KK may very well turn out to be the better player in the long term and even this year.


both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble
15 jan à 12 h 33
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Quoting: vr1995
both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble

KK isnt a gamble... I dare you to watch the next two games against EDM. Youll ser how fast and confident he is this year. Hes got everything to be a superb player. Plus, it seems like we would have to give some more assets on top of KK for Dubois, thats specifically what bugs me tbh.
15 jan à 12 h 44
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please explain to me how trading caufield for dubois MAKES ANY SENSE! OUR CENTER CORE IS FINE, THE ONE THING WE NEED IS A GAME BREAKING GOAL SCORER(caufield)
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15 jan à 12 h 44
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I like in a trade as it gives Columbus a good centre for this year. Then they have some cap to decide to get a centre next summer. Denault, Caulfield and a first might be fair. Don't think CBJ want 3.4 X 3 Byron in any trade.
But really I don't see the fascination with PLD. if KK and Suzuki Caulfield develop, Habs have a fine core of forwards
15 jan à 13 h 09
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Quoting: vr1995
both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble


The idea is to get better not move sideways. Giving up kk + doesn’t make sense. Especially if Montreal decides to move kk to the wing in the top 6. Pld toffoli kk Suzuki Anderson Drouin gives them a contender top 6.
15 jan à 13 h 10
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Quoting: Jamiepo
The idea is to get better not move sideways. Gibbing up kk + doesn’t make sense. Especially if Montreal decides to move kk to the wing in the top 6. Pld toffoli kk Suzuki Anderson Drouin gives them a contender top 6.


Drouin stinks
15 jan à 13 h 11
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Quoting: Justahockeyfan
please explain to me how trading caufield for dubois MAKES ANY SENSE! OUR CENTER CORE IS FINE, THE ONE THING WE NEED IS A GAME BREAKING GOAL SCORER(caufield)


My theory... caufield is not that. I doubt he puts up more goals than pld in both respective first 3 years. My opinion. Take it for what it is.
15 jan à 13 h 13
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Quoting: vr1995
Drouin stinks


Already 3 points this season one game in. If you load up the top 6 Drouin will perform well.
15 jan à 13 h 15
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Quoting: vr1995
Drouin stinks


From one leaf fan to another would you be happy if the Habs traded caufield poehling and a 1st for PLD.

I would not. Habs become a scary team quite quickly.
15 jan à 13 h 21
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Quoting: Jamiepo
From one leaf fan to another would you be happy if the Habs traded caufield poehling and a 1st for PLD.

I would not. Habs become a scary team quite quickly.


i dont want the habs to get PLD at all. look what he did to us last year, itd be harder seeing him on the habs, hes an excellent 2 way hockey player
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15 jan à 13 h 28
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Quoting: Borocop
Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older


Because having 3 young centres PLD (22), Suzuki (21), and KK (20) would cement MTL as a force for the rest of the 2020s.

(There's still un-tap potential for KK -- he's had one of the most remarkable growth rates; in terms of body mass and muscle growth. He reminds me a bit of Huberdeau in that regards, people called him a bust till it took him 3 seasons to bulk into the power player he is today)
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15 jan à 13 h 35
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Quoting: Borocop
Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older


Honest answer, KK is cheaper and having both PLD and Suzuki coming due for new contracts a year after having to resign Danualt to 5+ mIl will screw our cap all to hell. Why bother if KK is projected to be exactly what PLD is then you are basically giving up assets and cap space now and in the future for something you already have but need to wait 2 years or so to develop.
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15 jan à 13 h 41
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Quoting: vr1995
i dont want the habs to get PLD at all. look what he did to us last year, itd be harder seeing him on the habs, hes an excellent 2 way hockey player


If we hate it that means yes, it is a good move. If they were to move kk in the deal I would hate it much less. This is how I remove my bias to discuss other teams lol.
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15 jan à 14 h 21
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Quoting: Jo_Habs77
Because having 3 young centres PLD (22), Suzuki (21), and KK (20) would cement MTL as a force for the rest of the 2020s.

(There's still un-tap potential for KK -- he's had one of the most remarkable growth rates; in terms of body mass and muscle growth. He reminds me a bit of Huberdeau in that regards, people called him a bust till it took him 3 seasons to bulk into the power player he is today)


thats fair, the way i see it i guess is I think they both have similar ceilings, but Dubois is just better now which kind of opens the habs window to be a contender a bit more. I guess it would depend on the extras columbus would ask for from montreal that would determine if it would make it worth it but i think 1 for 1 PLD makes the habs better now and doesnt really sacrifice a lot of future (again depending on the extras they would need to add in)
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15 jan à 14 h 39
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Quoting: Borocop
thats fair, the way i see it i guess is I think they both have similar ceilings, but Dubois is just better now which kind of opens the habs window to be a contender a bit more. I guess it would depend on the extras columbus would ask for from montreal that would determine if it would make it worth it but i think 1 for 1 PLD makes the habs better now and doesnt really sacrifice a lot of future (again depending on the extras they would need to add in)


It interesting to think of having all three. In a great universe, after this year, we would get KK on a good team-friendly contract, then the same for suzuki and PLD. If not, imagine what we could get back for trading one of them in the future after they have proved themselves (PLD not included obviously, because he already has). Right now Caufield is not ready. he might be a 40 goal scorer one day, but he isn’t right now at this level. As for the other i mentioned in here, they don’t have very high ceilings compared to the rest of the roster. So, to win now, i would 100% give up a few good prospects for a shot at winning. I think we could get to a point down the road where we have so much talent in the roster, that we can trade for prospects.
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15 jan à 14 h 41
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Quoting: Jamiepo
If we hate it that means yes, it is a good move. If they were to move kk in the deal I would hate it much less. This is how I remove my bias to discuss other teams lol.

That’s one of the reasons I wanted to move danault and not KK. If we get PLD this year, everyone has to watch out, and if we keep KK on the third line, its even moire dangerous. I’d watch out for a breakout year from him this year.
15 jan à 14 h 46
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Quoting: palhal
I like in a trade as it gives Columbus a good centre for this year. Then they have some cap to decide to get a centre next summer. Denault, Caulfield and a first might be fair. Don't think CBJ want 3.4 X 3 Byron in any trade.
But really I don't see the fascination with PLD. if KK and Suzuki Caulfield develop, Habs have a fine core of forwards


I think the big thing with all of this is when our window is. We need a good team in front of price and webber before they start to get worse. We also need to put a good team on the ice before we lose a majority of the good players on the habs right now. Tatar is probs not coming back next year, I doubt danault would either. This year seems like its perfectly set up for montreal to do damage, so we need to take advantage of that.

on another note, I included byron because danualt is paid 2 mill less than PLD and montreal still needs to have cap space to fit PLD. I would also give Lek, Armia and/or weal in the same spot, just to get rid of money. I think byron, if he’s not traded this year, is going to seattle next year anyways, so not a big loss.
 
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