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The MAX Id give for PLD

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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 15 janv. 2021
Publié: 15 janv. 2021
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Just some quick notes about the habs:

1. Suzuki and KK are, in my opinion, untouchable. so is romanov.

2. I hate to give up someone like Cole Caufield, but for PLD, it makes sense.

3. This is the absolute max I’d be willing to trade for PLD. Obviously would try for a little less is possible, but I’d be willing with this package

4. If this is not enough, and another player would have to be included that is not Nick, KK or Romi, I would not do the trade, and would stay put for the moment.

5. I think this trade happens on trade deadline day

6. Please leave comments, would love your opinions.
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  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Caufield, Cole [Liste de réserve]
  3. Danault, Phillip
  4. Mete, Victor
  5. Poehling, Ryan
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
  7. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
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Note: Danualt extends 5x4

Byron included for cap purposes, 5th is included to make up the difference between danault+byron and PLD
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 17
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dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older
15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 18
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Take out mete and the 5th. Seems like an offer cbj shouldn’t refuse.
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 19
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You are about to ba trolled hard. However I think you can offer Danault + Struble/Harris + 1st and may only have to add another 1st or 2nd for a deal to work
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Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 20
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Quoting: vr1995
dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older


I don’t think he is saying kk is better. I agree with the OP, I would keep kk and Suzuki.
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 24
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I don’t think he is saying kk is better. I agree with the OP, I would keep kk and Suzuki.


no i know but due to the small age difference i dont understand how kk is untouchable
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 24
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Quoting: vr1995
dubois is better than KK and only 2 years older


Yeah he is as we are speaking, but KK may very well turn out to be the better player in the long term and even this year.
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15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 26
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Quoting: math731
Yeah he is as we are speaking, but KK may very well turn out to be the better player in the long term and even this year.


both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble
15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 33
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both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble

KK isnt a gamble... I dare you to watch the next two games against EDM. Youll ser how fast and confident he is this year. Hes got everything to be a superb player. Plus, it seems like we would have to give some more assets on top of KK for Dubois, thats specifically what bugs me tbh.
15 janv. 2021 à 12 h 44
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please explain to me how trading caufield for dubois MAKES ANY SENSE! OUR CENTER CORE IS FINE, THE ONE THING WE NEED IS A GAME BREAKING GOAL SCORER(caufield)
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I like in a trade as it gives Columbus a good centre for this year. Then they have some cap to decide to get a centre next summer. Denault, Caulfield and a first might be fair. Don't think CBJ want 3.4 X 3 Byron in any trade.
But really I don't see the fascination with PLD. if KK and Suzuki Caulfield develop, Habs have a fine core of forwards
15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 9
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both 3rd overall picks, like another person said the habs want kk to become dubois and hes only 2 years younger and dubois got there quicker and you know what you are getting as apposed to taking the gamble


The idea is to get better not move sideways. Giving up kk + doesn’t make sense. Especially if Montreal decides to move kk to the wing in the top 6. Pld toffoli kk Suzuki Anderson Drouin gives them a contender top 6.
15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 10
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The idea is to get better not move sideways. Gibbing up kk + doesn’t make sense. Especially if Montreal decides to move kk to the wing in the top 6. Pld toffoli kk Suzuki Anderson Drouin gives them a contender top 6.


Drouin stinks
15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 11
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please explain to me how trading caufield for dubois MAKES ANY SENSE! OUR CENTER CORE IS FINE, THE ONE THING WE NEED IS A GAME BREAKING GOAL SCORER(caufield)


My theory... caufield is not that. I doubt he puts up more goals than pld in both respective first 3 years. My opinion. Take it for what it is.
15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 13
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Drouin stinks


Already 3 points this season one game in. If you load up the top 6 Drouin will perform well.
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Drouin stinks


From one leaf fan to another would you be happy if the Habs traded caufield poehling and a 1st for PLD.

I would not. Habs become a scary team quite quickly.
15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 21
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From one leaf fan to another would you be happy if the Habs traded caufield poehling and a 1st for PLD.

I would not. Habs become a scary team quite quickly.


i dont want the habs to get PLD at all. look what he did to us last year, itd be harder seeing him on the habs, hes an excellent 2 way hockey player
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15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 28
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Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older


Because having 3 young centres PLD (22), Suzuki (21), and KK (20) would cement MTL as a force for the rest of the 2020s.

(There's still un-tap potential for KK -- he's had one of the most remarkable growth rates; in terms of body mass and muscle growth. He reminds me a bit of Huberdeau in that regards, people called him a bust till it took him 3 seasons to bulk into the power player he is today)
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15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 35
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Genuine question, why dont people want to move KK for PLD? its like a perfect fit imo, PLD is basically what you hope KK can become if you ask me, and you just get like 2 years older


Honest answer, KK is cheaper and having both PLD and Suzuki coming due for new contracts a year after having to resign Danualt to 5+ mIl will screw our cap all to hell. Why bother if KK is projected to be exactly what PLD is then you are basically giving up assets and cap space now and in the future for something you already have but need to wait 2 years or so to develop.
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15 janv. 2021 à 13 h 41
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i dont want the habs to get PLD at all. look what he did to us last year, itd be harder seeing him on the habs, hes an excellent 2 way hockey player


If we hate it that means yes, it is a good move. If they were to move kk in the deal I would hate it much less. This is how I remove my bias to discuss other teams lol.
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15 janv. 2021 à 14 h 21
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Because having 3 young centres PLD (22), Suzuki (21), and KK (20) would cement MTL as a force for the rest of the 2020s.

(There's still un-tap potential for KK -- he's had one of the most remarkable growth rates; in terms of body mass and muscle growth. He reminds me a bit of Huberdeau in that regards, people called him a bust till it took him 3 seasons to bulk into the power player he is today)


thats fair, the way i see it i guess is I think they both have similar ceilings, but Dubois is just better now which kind of opens the habs window to be a contender a bit more. I guess it would depend on the extras columbus would ask for from montreal that would determine if it would make it worth it but i think 1 for 1 PLD makes the habs better now and doesnt really sacrifice a lot of future (again depending on the extras they would need to add in)
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thats fair, the way i see it i guess is I think they both have similar ceilings, but Dubois is just better now which kind of opens the habs window to be a contender a bit more. I guess it would depend on the extras columbus would ask for from montreal that would determine if it would make it worth it but i think 1 for 1 PLD makes the habs better now and doesnt really sacrifice a lot of future (again depending on the extras they would need to add in)


It interesting to think of having all three. In a great universe, after this year, we would get KK on a good team-friendly contract, then the same for suzuki and PLD. If not, imagine what we could get back for trading one of them in the future after they have proved themselves (PLD not included obviously, because he already has). Right now Caufield is not ready. he might be a 40 goal scorer one day, but he isn’t right now at this level. As for the other i mentioned in here, they don’t have very high ceilings compared to the rest of the roster. So, to win now, i would 100% give up a few good prospects for a shot at winning. I think we could get to a point down the road where we have so much talent in the roster, that we can trade for prospects.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
If we hate it that means yes, it is a good move. If they were to move kk in the deal I would hate it much less. This is how I remove my bias to discuss other teams lol.

That’s one of the reasons I wanted to move danault and not KK. If we get PLD this year, everyone has to watch out, and if we keep KK on the third line, its even moire dangerous. I’d watch out for a breakout year from him this year.
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Quoting: palhal
I like in a trade as it gives Columbus a good centre for this year. Then they have some cap to decide to get a centre next summer. Denault, Caulfield and a first might be fair. Don't think CBJ want 3.4 X 3 Byron in any trade.
But really I don't see the fascination with PLD. if KK and Suzuki Caulfield develop, Habs have a fine core of forwards


I think the big thing with all of this is when our window is. We need a good team in front of price and webber before they start to get worse. We also need to put a good team on the ice before we lose a majority of the good players on the habs right now. Tatar is probs not coming back next year, I doubt danault would either. This year seems like its perfectly set up for montreal to do damage, so we need to take advantage of that.

on another note, I included byron because danualt is paid 2 mill less than PLD and montreal still needs to have cap space to fit PLD. I would also give Lek, Armia and/or weal in the same spot, just to get rid of money. I think byron, if he’s not traded this year, is going to seattle next year anyways, so not a big loss.
 
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