Thoughts on these moves?

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Weegar to Dermott is a lateral move, the difference isn't a 1st round pick. - I suggest getting off the lefty/righty idea on the backend. That was Babcock'a idea. Leafs management has made it clear they don't care about handedness.

Larsson, sure why not. I might go for a better proven guy than him, but I think the value isn't terrible. No retention though. Go for a guy like Zach Aston-Reese if he's healthy though.

Moving Holl isn't a good option. He's better than what people give him credit for on this site and his stats say so too

I know that Florida really likes Weegar but they might have to accept this

Weeger and dermott isn’t a lateral move at all... it’s a huge upgrade

If Holl plays as good as he did last season, there would be no need for Weegar. I’d like to trade for ZAR but don’t think he’d be available. The Pens really like him.

Dermott has looked horrendous in camp so far. Last season he had a lot of brain farts but his results were good overall. Really puzzling why the Leafs didn’t trade him + Johnsson For Weegar in the off-season.

An upgrade, yes, but not anywhere close to being worth a first.

There's nothing to suggest Weegar to Dermott is a lateral move. Also handedness isn't just a Babcock thing. It's been shown that defensemen playing on the wrong side end up costing the teams total amount of shots per game. It's something I can guarantee you Dubas believes in too however left handed D cost less and are more available than right handed D. That would be the reason he hasn't acted on it.

"If They Are Good By Deadline". If they are good by the deadline, why would they want to trade four regulars?
Don't like the idea of trading two NHL Dmen just to get one in return. Of all course on CapFriendly all Leaf Dmen are crappy and other teams Dmen are supposedly Leaf changers for the Leafs.

I disagree with your premise that you don't think the Leafs will be good. They should be better than last season. Keefe is now coaching in his second NHL season. The Leafs don't have their two worse Dmen from last season Barrie and Ceci. That should be an improvement. Last season their two best Dmen Reilly and Muzzin spent long stretches on LTIR. nnn

We literally paid more for Jake Muzzin and his two season's

I’m definitely not that high on dermott. I personally don’t think he’ll be a leaf this time next year. He’ll be traded for a pick somewhere

I agree. Would’ve been a great move. I’m not high on dermott at all

A lot of analytics geeks are high on Dermott and believe he’s good enough to play an elevated role. His results have always been good but the shoulder injury seemed to impact his development. It seems like a mistake to pick him over Dunn.

That’s fair if they play well there’s no need for so much change.

A guy who’d i’d like to target if he’s available is Jamie Oleksiak. Big shutdown defender who can play the right side.

This is garbage

Pens should’ve never moved him

No he's not. Dermott is a far better skater and possession guy. He's younger and will develop. Weegar is just the physical guy that everyone thinks the Leafs need and they don't.




No it's not. Weegar'a had 1 good season in which he played beside Ekblad. Nothing says that's worth 2 NHLers.



You do realize that Dubas targeted Brodie to play with Rielly over 2 years ago right? They had a deal in place but Kadri wouldn't move his NTC. Dubas and Keefe don't care about handedness. They want the best players regardless. They'll keep Dermott over trading him for the overhyped Weegar.

You bring up “Possession guy” meanwhile that’s literally weeger...

I'm pretty sure you'd also tell me that Dubas is deep into analytics if the conversation came up. Its something he has been clear about, fans take pride in and you even talk about earlier in your post when discussing how Dermott is a possession guy. Well the analytics on handedness is clear, that it matters very much. The fact that Dubas hasn't acted on it doesn't mean he doesn't care, just that it hasn't been worth the gain.

I agree I don't think he's be a leaf next season, but they aren't giving him away. Weegar is overrated. He is not worth a first, and is not worth a first and Dermott, who is probably worth a second.

& the analytics on Dermott are clear. He's better than people on this site say he is. If Dubas cared about the handedness he woulda trade Dermott for Weegar already when it was offered. He didn't. Sure handedness could matter a bit to some people, but when the players are arguably equal skill it doesn't

Weegar has literally only had 1 "good" year (arguable, but whatever) and he had to play beside Ekblad to get it. Meanwhile Dermott has frequently played with guys with far less skill.

Okay so let me get this straight... you say Dubas/Keefe don’t care about LS/RS, and you also claim dermott is SO good. Then why on earth couldn’t dermott pass ceci on the depth chart and be played with rielly? Oh wait I have answer... that’s because in reality he really isn’t that good...

Weeger may have only had one good year sure, but that’s still one more than what dermott has had. I’ve heard “dermott top 4D” for years now yet he still hasn’t made that progression