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Which Core Do You Prefer

Créé par: TheLeafsSeason
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 4 janv. 2021
Publié: 4 janv. 2021
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Which core would you rather have?

1) Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares
2) Matthews, Marner, Dubois, and Tavares

Ignore the trade. I tried making the value fair and realistic
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4 janv. 2021 à 17 h 55
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I choose option 3. No Tavares. Signing him was a huge mistake IMO. Could have way better spent that cap space.
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4 janv. 2021 à 17 h 56
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If you have to move Sandin also to get him, why is the question only about the core?
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4 janv. 2021 à 17 h 57
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If you have to move Sandin also to get him, why is the question only about the core?


Columbus is not dumb to do a one for one
4 janv. 2021 à 17 h 58
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I choose option 3. No Tavares. Signing him was a huge mistake IMO. Could have way better spent that cap space.


Myself and the rest of the Leafs fanbase agree's
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4 janv. 2021 à 17 h 59
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Columbus is not dumb to do a one for one


Sure but the question shouldn't be just about the core when you have to move extra assets to acquire him. Would I rather have Dubois or Nylander? Dubois. Would I rather have Dubois or Nylander and Sandin? Nylander and Sandin. You've just invested even more assets into a core 4 when Toronto is currently suffering around the edges. This doesn't make the team better.
4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 2
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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason
Myself and the rest of the Leafs fanbase agree's


dont speak for the rest of the leaf fanbase cause not all feel it was a mistake to sign him

He is still a 30+ goalscorer when healthy, a faceoff specialist and a tap in king

islanders to this day still be missing his goal scoring as despite having Barzel they got no top tier supertstar true pair top 30+ goalscoring center.
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4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 3
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Rather have Dubois for his four controllable years than Nylander for his four years....especially since Nylander makes 2m for the next two years.
But adding Sandin to the trade...I wouldn't do as a Leaf, since Reilly will likely be gone in two years.
4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 14
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Quoting: palhal
Rather have Dubois for his four controllable years than Nylander for his four years....especially since Nylander makes 2m for the next two years.
But adding Sandin to the trade...I wouldn't do as a Leaf, since Reilly will likely be gone in two years.


honestly I would rather have Nylander cause the funny thing is despite being called soft he is better at equal strength defense at (40%) compared to PLD at (25%). Thats surprised me considering Columbus is a defensively minded team. Only real advantage with PLD was his even strength offense at 94% compared to Nylanders 78%. That one bad year held Nylander away from being 90% at even strength offense lul.

Everything else was the same except Nylander was much better on the PP.

Now if PLD was better defensively and could PK would easily take him.
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Sure.Whatever.
4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 32
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PLD > Nylander but leafs don’t need another C
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I choose option 3. No Tavares. Signing him was a huge mistake IMO. Could have way better spent that cap space.

That’s right.
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4 janv. 2021 à 18 h 51
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honestly I would rather have Nylander cause the funny thing is despite being called soft he is better at equal strength defense at (40%) compared to PLD at (25%). Thats surprised me considering Columbus is a defensively minded team. Only real advantage with PLD was his even strength offense at 94% compared to Nylanders 78%. That one bad year held Nylander away from being 90% at even strength offense lul.

Everything else was the same except Nylander was much better on the PP.

Now if PLD was better defensively and could PK would easily take him.


Most people who want Nylander traded don't have a real reasoning behind it. That's why I made the Trading Nylander is stupid armchair. It doesn't accomplish anything. I said it before, with the current situation if the Leafs 100% had to make a big trade to save cap there's only one option. I don't agree that they have to do that but putting that aside if money needs to come off ask yourself what could the Leafs replace with a much cheaper option, still have great offensive production and for a much lower cap hit. Marner is the only option.
The Leafs can win without an 11 million dollar playmaker if they get a 6-7m one. Trading Nylander opens up a hole that uses up the cap space when you fill it. Trading Marner and putting someone making half as much in his place doesn't.
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Myself and the rest of the Leafs fanbase agree's


Same here,but someone like my brother Saskleaf, or Steve Dangle would not.
4 janv. 2021 à 19 h 7
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Same here,but someone like my brother Saskleaf, or Steve Dangle would not.


That's a different convo. If you ask me for the money if I would rather build a line around JT or Marner that's a tougher question. They are both valuable assets. I'm still not convinced Marner is an 11m player but he does have way more value than people think. Marner is younger but I think JT has more value in other areas to the team. Leadership, stability, work ethic, determination. The "fun" of some of the younger players is definitely part of the problem. I would probably say JT because Marner just doesn't play a proper game. He leaves guys wide open and doesn't watch his man. He puck chases constantly and just expects guys to clean up after him. He does the big things insanely well, like incredibly well but he doesn't even know the little things exist or that they are a thing. That's a big problem. On another team with more of a veteran presence that could be easily dealt with. I'm hoping that's what this year does.
That's why Keefe wants Jumbo on the top line.
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Most people who want Nylander traded don't have a real reasoning behind it. That's why I made the Trading Nylander is stupid armchair. It doesn't accomplish anything. I said it before, with the current situation if the Leafs 100% had to make a big trade to save cap there's only one option. I don't agree that they have to do that but putting that aside if money needs to come off ask yourself what could the Leafs replace with a much cheaper option, still have great offensive production and for a much lower cap hit. Marner is the only option.
The Leafs can win without an 11 million dollar playmaker if they get a 6-7m one. Trading Nylander opens up a hole that uses up the cap space when you fill it. Trading Marner and putting someone making half as much in his place doesn't.


The bottom line is, Nylander is replaceable, and Marner is not
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That's a different convo. If you ask me for the money if I would rather build a line around JT or Marner that's a tougher question. They are both valuable assets. I'm still not convinced Marner is an 11m player but he does have way more value than people think. Marner is younger but I think JT has more value in other areas to the team. Leadership, stability, work ethic, determination. The "fun" of some of the younger players is definitely part of the problem. I would probably say JT because Marner just doesn't play a proper game. He leaves guys wide open and doesn't watch his man. He puck chases constantly and just expects guys to clean up after him. He does the big things insanely well, like incredibly well but he doesn't even know the little things exist or that they are a thing. That's a big problem. On another team with more of a veteran presence that could be easily dealt with. I'm hoping that's what this year does.
That's why Keefe wants Jumbo on the top line.


Sure.
4 janv. 2021 à 20 h 0
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The bottom line is, Nylander is replaceable, and Marner is not


The only thing that makes Marner irreplaceable is how much the fans like him. Other than that he's totally replaceable. Fans just aren't being reasonable or sensible about what the goal is.
5 janv. 2021 à 9 h 16
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That's a different convo. If you ask me for the money if I would rather build a line around JT or Marner that's a tougher question. They are both valuable assets. I'm still not convinced Marner is an 11m player but he does have way more value than people think. Marner is younger but I think JT has more value in other areas to the team. Leadership, stability, work ethic, determination. The "fun" of some of the younger players is definitely part of the problem. I would probably say JT because Marner just doesn't play a proper game. He leaves guys wide open and doesn't watch his man. He puck chases constantly and just expects guys to clean up after him. He does the big things insanely well, like incredibly well but he doesn't even know the little things exist or that they are a thing. That's a big problem. On another team with more of a veteran presence that could be easily dealt with. I'm hoping that's what this year does.
That's why Keefe wants Jumbo on the top line.


People always talk about Jt's leadership... I am disgusted with his LACK of leadership. Does this team seem like it added a great leader when he arrived? Or did it keep doing the same crap it did before he got there? Playing absolutely pathetically terrible 1 out of every 4 games, lack of effort, inconsistency, lack of commitment to team, etc. I am appalled with JT's "leadership". That's a big part of the reason I wish they never signed him. And he doesn't crack 40 goals without Marner carrying him to it in his first year.
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5 janv. 2021 à 10 h 57
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The only thing that makes Marner irreplaceable is how much the fans like him. Other than that he's totally replaceable. Fans just aren't being reasonable or sensible about what the goal is.


Name a 90 to a 100 point playmaker you can acquire through the free agency market / by trade
5 janv. 2021 à 13 h 2
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Nylander over Dubois any day
5 janv. 2021 à 21 h 2
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Name a 90 to a 100 point playmaker you can acquire through the free agency market / by trade


I meant you can replace Marner with a 7 million aav player, use the difference on the blueline and win. Am I convinced the Leafs must do that? No.
 
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