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Roslovic Pionk

Créé par: JetsGuyJeff
Date de création initiale: déc 29, 2020
Publié: 29 déc 2020 à 21 h 25
Équipe: 2020-21 Jets de Winnipeg
Transactions
WPG
  1. Spurgeon, Jared
MIN
  1. Pionk, Neal
  2. Roslovic, Jack [Droits de RFA]
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Patrik Laine: 1 755 000 $ (26%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
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WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2022
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2023
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WPG
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $81 492 857 $0 $132 500 $7 143 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
WPG
Connor, Kyle
7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 6
WPG
Stastny, Paul
6 500 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
8 250 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 4
WPG
Laine, Patrik
4 995 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
WPG
Lowry, Adam
2 916 667 $
C
UFA - 1
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
WPG
Copp, Andrew
2 280 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
6 125 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Appleton, Mason
900 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
WPG
Harkins, Jansen
725 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
WPG
Perfetti, Cole
925 000 $
C
RFA - 4
WPG
Perreault, Mathieu
4 125 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Gustafsson, David
817 500 $
C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
6 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 8
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
6 166 666 $
G
UFA - 4
WPG
Heinola, Ville
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 4
WPG
DeMelo, Dylan
3 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Brossoit, Laurent
1 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
WPG
Forbort, Derek
1 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
WPG
Poolman, Tucker
775 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
WPG
Dano, Marko
700 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
WPG
Little, Bryan
5 291 667 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Équipe de réserve
WPG
Beaulieu, Nathan
1 250 000 $ (175 000 $)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
WPG
Thompson, Nate
750 000 $ (0 $)
C
UFA - 1
WPG
Sbisa, Luca
800 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
725 000 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 2
WPG
Toninato, Dominic
700 000 $ (0 $)
AG, C
UFA - 1

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29 déc 2020 à 21 h 31
#1
bhavikp27
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Bad trade for Minnesota, that's not enough for Spurgeon right now.
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29 déc 2020 à 21 h 35
#2
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Yeah, that is very wishful thinking for the Jets.
29 déc 2020 à 21 h 36
#3
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I'm not a fan of the back end of Spurgeon's contract, but right now - and for the foreseeable future - he's worth every penny. Legitimately one of the best Dmen in the league. Wild say no, imo.
29 déc 2020 à 21 h 36
#4
Just Keep Swimming
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Spurgeon might be a top 10 Dman in the league right now, so Ima guess they say no.
29 déc 2020 à 21 h 37
#5
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I'd take it from MN, but I despise Spurgeon's contract and want it gone.
29 déc 2020 à 21 h 37
#6
Go Wings Go
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The odds of Jared Spurgeon waiving his NMC 0%, And besides that doesn't get him anyways.
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29 déc 2020 à 21 h 53
#7
PLD is goated
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I wish
29 déc 2020 à 22 h 03
#8
Rejoint: nov 2020
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Spurgeon from the comments above should be a multiple Norris trophy finalist. C’mon everyone he is 31 years old with an huge contract of over 50 million dollars. Another small defenseman ( listed at 5’9 And 170 lbs) is just what the Jets DON’T need. For you Minny fans who say this is a bad trade for your team ,I dare say it would be a far worse trade for the Jets. Short term Spurgeon would definitely be an asset, long term we would regret that contract as most likely Minny will . When you think of it most long term deals for players in their early 30’s usually backfire in the last half of their contracts ( see Subban / Parise/ Neal / Lucic. ........... wouldn’t be surprised the Jets regret the last 2 years of Wheeler at 8.2 million. But I understand why they signed him at the time.
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29 déc 2020 à 22 h 18
#9
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Quoting: OttBeavers
Spurgeon from the comments above should be a multiple Norris trophy finalist. C’mon everyone he is 31 years old with an huge contract of over 50 million dollars. Another small defenseman ( listed at 5’9 And 170 lbs) is just what the Jets DON’T need. For you Minny fans who say this is a bad trade for your team ,I dare say it would be a far worse trade for the Jets. Short term Spurgeon would definitely be an asset, long term we would regret that contract as most likely Minny will . When you think of it most long term deals for players in their early 30’s usually backfire in the last half of their contracts ( see Subban / Parise/ Neal / Lucic. ........... wouldn’t be surprised the Jets regret the last 2 years of Wheeler at 8.2 million. But I understand why they signed him at the time.


Even if you don't like the term of Spurgeon's contract, this is still Minnesota trading an elite dman for a 3rd liner who recently requested a trade and Pionk who is simply not close to as good as 46, and it's not a debate. Still a good defenseman, just not on Spurgeon's level

So if Winnipeg plans on competing now, they do this everyday of the week. Not only is the value in their favour, but it also helps them accomplish what they want to do now, and that's win. This is a substantial upgrade for them

But this isn't even worth a debate, as Spurgeon wouldn't even consider waiving his NMC
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29 déc 2020 à 22 h 26
#10
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Quoting: C21
Even if you don't like the term of Spurgeon's contract, this is still Minnesota trading an elite dman for a 3rd liner who recently requested a trade and Pionk who is simply not close to as good as 46, and it's not a debate. Still a good defenseman, just not on Spurgeon's level

So if Winnipeg plans on competing now, they do this everyday of the week. Not only is the value in their favour, but it also helps them accomplish what they want to do now, and that's win. This is a substantial upgrade for them it may be. But not a good fit as we already have too many smaller D-Man is the point I am trying to make. Keep him he is not worth it long term imo. If everyone agreed on the same thing life would be boring........

But this isn't even worth a debate, as Spurgeon wouldn't even consider waiving his NMC
29 déc 2020 à 22 h 37
#11
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Quoting: OttBeavers
Spurgeon from the comments above should be a multiple Norris trophy finalist. C’mon everyone he is 31 years old with an huge contract of over 50 million dollars. Another small defenseman ( listed at 5’9 And 170 lbs) is just what the Jets DON’T need. For you Minny fans who say this is a bad trade for your team ,I dare say it would be a far worse trade for the Jets. Short term Spurgeon would definitely be an asset, long term we would regret that contract as most likely Minny will . When you think of it most long term deals for players in their early 30’s usually backfire in the last half of their contracts ( see Subban / Parise/ Neal / Lucic. ........... wouldn’t be surprised the Jets regret the last 2 years of Wheeler at 8.2 million. But I understand why they signed him at the time.


What's funny is Pionk has more points in a season than Spurgeon has ever had. They also have the same number of 40p seasons.

I agree it's a trade the Jets shouldn't make.
29 déc 2020 à 22 h 58
#12
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Quoting: wabit
What's funny is Pionk has more points in a season than Spurgeon has ever had. They also have the same number of 40p seasons.

I agree it's a trade the Jets shouldn't make.


Funny that points are nowhere near the only or best way to evaluate players. Especially dmen
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29 déc 2020 à 23 h 18
#13
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Quoting: C21
Funny that points are nowhere near the only or best way to evaluate players. Especially dmen


When it's comparing offensive d-men it's something that's worth consideration. Also when you're a d-man making $7.5m not getting 40p a season don't look so great. It's not like Spurgeon is a shutdown d-man, he can't carry a weaker d-man, and can't stay healthy.

MN (never should have re-signed him) should dump him the first chance they get. He'll be in the Burns/Seabrook category of overpaid 30+ RD very soon.
29 déc 2020 à 23 h 44
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Modifié 30 déc 2020 à 13 h 23
Quoting: wabit
When it's comparing offensive d-men it's something that's worth consideration. Also when you're a d-man making $7.5m not getting 40p a season don't look so great. It's not like Spurgeon is a shutdown d-man, he can't carry a weaker d-man, and can't stay healthy.

MN (never should have re-signed him) should dump him the first chance they get. He'll be in the Burns/Seabrook category of overpaid 30+ RD very soon.


He's the far better between him suter d and is a very responsible two way defender
30 déc 2020 à 8 h 39
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Quoting: wabit
When it's comparing offensive d-men it's something that's worth consideration. Also when you're a d-man making $7.5m not getting 40p a season don't look so great. It's not like Spurgeon is a shutdown d-man, he can't carry a weaker d-man, and can't stay healthy.

MN (never should have re-signed him) should dump him the first chance they get. He'll be in the Burns/Seabrook category of overpaid 30+ RD very soon.


He carries a weaker dman every game. Suter isn't what he used to be, there's a reason he threw a fit when he had to play with Dumba and demanded Spurgeon be his partner.
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