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Just one more JT post for Kaakoforrichard

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 17 déc. 2020
Publié: 17 déc. 2020
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I don't think it's a secret at this point. I'm a huge JT fan. He's worth every penny he's payed. And signing him... WAS NOT A MISTAKE. I'm not trying to be rude, but there is absolutly NO evidance/explanation to the they-shouldn't-have-signed-JT belief. The leafs got JT FOR FREE (asset wise). But that's not all. The ACGM's without JT aren't really fair. Let's just think for a second.

With JT, leafs 1000% do not make the playoffs in 2018-19. It's not a debatable fact. So, do the really end up with Jake Muzzin? Heck no! Non playoff teams don't aquire rentals kinda like Muzzin. So, with 15 million in cap space, do you really think the leafs aren't able to get Subban in the offseason? They're going to get Subban if they don't have to pay JT or Muz. No sane human being says, ya I'd rather have Kadri and Subban over Tavares and Muzzin. And then you think Pietro's coming home? What would make him want to come home? No JT, the team sucks, they already have a 9 mil right d, he certainly does not come home. O r what about this:
Instead of signing JT, they resign Bozak and JVR. Nope. I don't even need to explain why that would be bad.
What about Derek Ryan and Calvin da Haan lets say? How can you say those 2 > Jonnhy t? You can't. JT was a good signing. That's a fact.
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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 59
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JT isn't the problem overpaying Marner is an issue
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JT isn't the problem overpaying Marner is an issue


I kind of agree.
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JT isn't the problem overpaying Marner is an issue


It's an issue. But almost every team in the league has a player overpaid by $1.5M or more.

The Leafs have zero "bad" contracts (negative value), so that helps offset.

Hyman becoming a huge bargain, and getting Dermott to take his QO, more than offset the Marner overpay (this year anyways).
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17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 8
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I’ve already said my peace on this. No sense in beating a dead horse to death. Especially since it gets peeps so heated. Yes, I will be always be in the camp that signing JT was not necessary and the core of the team should have been Mathews Marner Nylander Kadri Rielly and build a roster around that. I love the Leafs and I want to see them win the cup. Go Leafs Go
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 9
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So, in other words, there was no defenceman of even half JT's calibre on the market.


I mean, Tyson Barrie was available on the trade block...
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17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 16
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It's an issue. But almost every team in the league has a player overpaid by $1.5M or more.

The Leafs have zero "bad" contracts (negative value), so that helps offset.

Hyman becoming a huge bargain, and getting Dermott to take his QO, more than offset the Marner overpay (this year anyways).


I agree.
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 17
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Quoting: LeafsfanMathews
I’ve already said my peace on this. No sense in beating a dead horse to death. Especially since it gets peeps so heated. Yes, I will be always be in the camp that signing JT was not necessary and the core of the team should have been Mathews Marner Nylander Kadri Rielly and build a roster around that. I love the Leafs and I want to see them win the cup. Go Leafs Go


I don't agree with your view point. But if you don't want to debate, I'm perfectly happy to agree-to-disagree. Thanks for taking a look at this anyways.
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17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 19
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Oh, and @Brad21 . I could just debate this with him in person but why not.
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 25
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People seem to keep forgetting JT’s salary essentially replaced JVR and Bozak. Jvr signed in Philly for 7, Bozak in Stl for 5. Even if both took discounts in TML it would equate to close to 11 million. I would much rather have JT than both of them.

Kadri is best playing in somewhere not Toronto. Time to let it go. For someone who was everyone’s whipping boy for years he’s sure dreamed about a lot now.

Leafs are fine. People seem to act as if they’re the only team struggling with the cap. Look around the league.

If the leafs somehow miss the playoffs this year we can talk about blowing it up.
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17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 26
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People seem to keep forgetting JT’s salary essentially replaced JVR and Bozak. Jvr signed in Philly for 7, Bozak in Stl for 5. Even if both took discounts in TML it would equate to close to 11 million. I would much rather have JT than both of them.

Kadri is best playing in somewhere not Toronto. Time to let it go. For someone who was everyone’s whipping boy for years he’s sure dreamed about a lot now.

Leafs are fine. People seem to act as if they’re the only team struggling with the cap. Look around the league.

If the leafs somehow miss the playoffs this year we can talk about blowing it up.


Exactly.
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 27
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How could signing someone who scored 73 goals in 145 games be bad?

There are many things they could have done that might have been better but that does not mean JT was a bad move.

The Leaf's (and others) really got screwed with COVID or the cap would have continued to climb and the Leaf's D would have been better than it is now.

With all that said the Leaf's are in good shape. They have 0 bad contracts and 1 slightly overpaid in Marner.
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17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 32
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How could signing someone who scored 73 goals in 145 games be bad?

There are many things they could have done that might have been better but that does not mean JT was a bad move.

The Leaf's (and others) really got screwed with COVID or the cap would have continued to climb and the Leaf's D would have been better than it is now.

With all that said the Leaf's are in good shape. They have 0 bad contracts and 1 slightly overpaid in Marner.


My point exactly my friend.
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 43
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How could signing someone who scored 73 goals in 145 games be bad?

There are many things they could have done that might have been better but that does not mean JT was a bad move.

The Leaf's (and others) really got screwed with COVID or the cap would have continued to climb and the Leaf's D would have been better than it is now.

With all that said the Leaf's are in good shape. They have 0 bad contracts and 1 slightly overpaid in Marner.


Agree. If Marner puts up a pace equivalent to 100+ points in the upcoming season (I say that because there won't be a full season), do people still think he's overpaid?
17 déc. 2020 à 10 h 58
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Agree. If Marner puts up a pace equivalent to 100+ points in the upcoming season (I say that because there won't be a full season), do people still think he's overpaid?


Probably, because people can't do fast math in their head. He can probably put up 80 pts this season, and people would still use "he's never even hit 100 pt" as a putdown.

@MitchMarnerElite would still make teams with him at $8M.
17 déc. 2020 à 12 h 38
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Oh, and @Brad21 . I could just debate this with him in person but why not.


Debate what?
17 déc. 2020 à 16 h 54
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Agree. If Marner puts up a pace equivalent to 100+ points in the upcoming season (I say that because there won't be a full season), do people still think he's overpaid?


I would still say yes. I love the kid and he really is not that far off in salary but with the cap so tight he will get the blame. In the NHL you pay Centers and for Goals.
17 déc. 2020 à 18 h 17
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Debate what?


Why signing John Tavares wasn't bad.
17 déc. 2020 à 18 h 40
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Why signing John Tavares wasn't bad.


Well it was.
17 déc. 2020 à 19 h 9
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Well it was.


No it wasn't. Did you read the post up top? I explained why the leafs wouldn't have Muzzin if they also didn't have Tavares. And they might have 2 of Subban, Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Ryan, or de Haan instead. Why would you want a combination of those 2 instead of Tavares and Muzzin?
17 déc. 2020 à 22 h 51
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No it wasn't. Did you read the post up top? I explained why the leafs wouldn't have Muzzin if they also didn't have Tavares. And they might have 2 of Subban, Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Ryan, or de Haan instead. Why would you want a combination of those 2 instead of Tavares and Muzzin?


They could have more than that though.But I might need to go to bed.We can debate it tomorrow maybe.
17 déc. 2020 à 23 h 11
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They could have more than that though.But I might need to go to bed.We can debate it tomorrow maybe.


What do you mean?
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What do you mean?

Whatever.
18 déc. 2020 à 10 h 48
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Whatever.


About the, “they could have had more than that” part. What so you mean?
18 déc. 2020 à 14 h 24
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About the, “they could have had more than that” part. What so you mean?


I'll tell you.
20 déc. 2020 à 23 h 58
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Quoting: Barilko14
It's an issue. But almost every team in the league has a player overpaid by $1.5M or more.

The Leafs have zero "bad" contracts (negative value), so that helps offset.

Hyman becoming a huge bargain, and getting Dermott to take his QO, more than offset the Marner overpay (this year anyways).
Marner is overpaid by a lot more that 1.5 in my opinion
 
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