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Créé par: Saskleaf

Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 17 déc. 2020

Publié: 17 déc. 2020

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I don't think it's a secret at this point. I'm a huge JT fan. He's worth every penny he's payed. And signing him... WAS NOT A MISTAKE. I'm not trying to be rude, but there is absolutly NO evidance/explanation to the they-shouldn't-have-signed-JT belief. The leafs got JT FOR FREE (asset wise). But that's not all. The ACGM's without JT aren't really fair. Let's just think for a second.

With JT, leafs 1000% do not make the playoffs in 2018-19. It's not a debatable fact. So, do the really end up with Jake Muzzin? Heck no! Non playoff teams don't aquire rentals kinda like Muzzin. So, with 15 million in cap space, do you really think the leafs aren't able to get Subban in the offseason? They're going to get Subban if they don't have to pay JT or Muz. No sane human being says, ya I'd rather have Kadri and Subban over Tavares and Muzzin. And then you think Pietro's coming home? What would make him want to come home? No JT, the team sucks, they already have a 9 mil right d, he certainly does not come home. O r what about this:
Instead of signing JT, they resign Bozak and JVR. Nope. I don't even need to explain why that would be bad.
What about Derek Ryan and Calvin da Haan lets say? How can you say those 2 > Jonnhy t? You can't. JT was a good signing. That's a fact.

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Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

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Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

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Pierre Engvall: 175 000 $ (1 250 000 $)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	82 565 575 $	0 $	0 $	-1 065 575 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya 1 645 000 $1 645 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Vesey, Jimmy 900 000 $900 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 3	Simmonds, Wayne 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas 821 667 $821 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 4	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
	Thornton, Joe 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 1
	Boyd, Travis 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko 925 000 $925 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Bogosian, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis 874 125 $874 125 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

17 déc. 2020 à 8 h 48

Barbs

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I know its a bold stance to take but I like having good players on my team too

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17 déc. 2020 à 8 h 49

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Quoting: Barbs

I know its a bold stance to take but I like having good players on my team too

Damn bro, are you sure? That's kind of a stretch

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17 déc. 2020 à 8 h 50

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Quoting: Barbs

I know its a bold stance to take but I like having good players on my team too

Right? What a concept. Sign good players to be on your team, wild.

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17 déc. 2020 à 8 h 51

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Quoting: Barbs

I know its a bold stance to take but I like having good players on my team too

Man, I dunno. You sure?

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17 déc. 2020 à 8 h 59

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Man, I dunno. You sure?

Quoting: RangerWall92

Damn bro, are you sure? That's kind of a stretch

Quoting: Ritzy

Right? What a concept. Sign good players to be on your team, wild.

It's a tough call cause on one hand I can have a good player, who scores at a rate of 40+ goals per season or like several bad to mediocre players instead. Decisions like this keep me up at night

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 0

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Quoting: Barbs

It's a tough call cause on one hand I can have a good player, who scores at a rate of 40+ goals per season or like several bad to mediocre players instead. Decisions like this keep me up at night

Yes, it's hard to think if I'd rather have Kadri or Tavares. I don't know.

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 3

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cool

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 4

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cool

Nice!

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 5

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Yes, it's hard to think if I'd rather have Kadri or Tavares. I don't know.

Tavares is worth at least 2.44 Kadris. AT LEAST

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 10

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Quoting: Barbs

Tavares is worth at least 2.44 Kadris. AT LEAST

AT Least yes.

By the way, @TheLeafsSeason and @LeafsfanMathews you guys have anything to say? You guys are big Kadri fans/ non Tavares fans.

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 19

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For curiosity sake, I wonder how many of the "wE sHoUlD hAvE nEvEr SiGnEd TaVaReS" crowd were also people who woke up the day he signed, and tweeted, ACGM'd, facebookpaged, etc. how excited they were, and how "everyone else is stupid because they thought we couldn't sign him!".

Not a Leafs fan, but I agree with the whole "I like having good players on my team".

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 24

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This debate highlights one of the biggest negatives of the salary cap era. I get from a business side of things why it was necessary but what we're left with is valuing players based on their cap hit.
Take the cap out and there's no debate what so ever that Leafs fans in general were absolutely excited to land JT in free agency. I like this post and your examples of how the team may have looked or how we never would have ended up with Muzzin. It's easy to criticize looking backwards but the mistake many make is that they think all other variables would be the same. JT signing definitely signaled to the league that one of the premiere players in the league, in his prime, chose to sign there and that has had and will have a lasting impact on attracting other players. Other examples are Spezza signing for league min, Thornton coming in for cheap. Simmonds too.

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 24

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Quoting: Lenny7

Probably lots. Thanks dude.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 25

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I agree the JT signing was a good signing but I am going to play devils advocate for a minute. If the Leafs didn't sign JT they COULD have stuck with Kadri as 2C and went after John Carlson as a partner for Reilly then they wouldn't have the issue of looking for a top pairing RHD and would be a legitimate top contender. Also if the hadn't signed JT maybe AM and MM sign for 9 Mil instead of 11.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 27

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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech

Ya, I really wish there was no cap so we didn't all have to value a player by his cap hit. I do it all the time. But I don't really like to. Thanks.

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 27

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Quoting: Campabee

Edit That should have said they would STILL be a legitimate top contender

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 28

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If Carlson was available, then yes, they should have signed him. But he wasn't available as far as I know. Good point though, I almost forgot Carlson was on the market that year before he resigned.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 30

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Quoting: Campabee

How does John Carlson come into play here?

Also Matthews was using McDavid/Eichel as comps. Marner may have gotten less as he likely spends most of the season playing with Kadri instead of JT, which almost certainly would have had an effect on his season/bargaining power.

Looking into it - Carlson had just won the cup, and signed a big extension about 10 days later, 5 days before free agency began. So no idea how he would be an option.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 33

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Quoting: Barilko14

Carlson was set to be UFA when Tavares was, but resigned shortly before he hit the open market. So he would have been great. But he never hit the market so he was a non option in the end.

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 36

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Quoting: Saskleaf

If Carlson was available, then yes, they should have signed him. But he wasn't available as far as I know. Good point though, I almost forgot Carlson was on the market that year before he resigned.

He wasn't.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 38

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Quoting: Barilko14

He wasn't.

So, in other words, there was no defenceman of even half JT's calibre on the market.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 39

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Carlson was set to be UFA when Tavares was, but resigned shortly before he hit the open market. So he would have been great. But he never hit the market so he was a non option in the end.

Washington also won the cup that spring. So pretty sure it was a safe bet he was staying.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 41

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Quoting: Barilko14

Washington also won the cup that spring. So pretty sure it was a safe bet he was staying.

Yup. It's defiantly unlikely for player to leave cup winning team (well, I guess Kwawi is an exception unfortunately, but that's basketball anyways).

17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 45

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Quoting: Saskleaf

So, in other words, there was no defenceman of even half JT's calibre on the market.

Calvin De Haan.

So detractors say signing vet centre John Tavares, sped up the rebuild and led to this "awful" defence and depth the Leafs have assembled.

But, in the next breath they say Leafs could have kept vet centre Kadri (same age as JT) and signed vet Dman De Haan (same age as JT) and that helps the true rebuild come to fruition.

Sign JT = going for it. Sign De Haan = slow & steady. I guess.

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17 déc. 2020 à 9 h 50

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Quoting: Barilko14

Ya, I don't get the it-sped-up-the-rebuild thought either.

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