Interesting

Leafs still probably say no but hey I don’t hate the value haha.

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Mikayev-Barzel-Nylander
Robertson-Kerfoot-Simmonds
Vesey-Thornton-Spezza
Barbanov

Reilly-Pulock
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Holl


Is this a better roster than the current leafs squad? (if it’s under cap I’m not sure off by head)

Boy that makes the islanders d look thin, and that’s not great for a team built on defence first style.

I think they are much stronger defensively and Barzal would score probably 15-20 more points on the Leafs

I wouldn’t even trade marner for barzal, forget about Matthews.

Good thing its Barzal plus a legitimate top pairing RHD

trade a potential 60 goal, developing 2 way centre for a 60-75 point 2 way centre

pulock makes it better, but no

liljegren has the potential to develop into a decent 2 way defender, and he's much younger than pulock, and is still in his RFA years, unlike Pulock who's 2 years to UFA

Barzel > marner

If barzel didn’t play under trotz he’d be getting 90 points and he’s a C

So you over reach with Matthew’s calling him a potential 60 goal scorer, and then you way undersell barzel as a 60-75 point centre when if he didn’t play for trotz he’d be getting 80-90+ points. Makes sense. You also forgot Pulock

Ryan Pulock is a real good, legitimate Top-4 guy, not a legitimate top pairing d, imo.

I mean he was on pace for 56 goals this year, he can certainly score 60 in a full 82 game season.

He’s definitely a top pairing guy. Borderline #1D.

How is he not a top pairing D?

Maybe he COULD score 60. But there’s a difference between scoring 60 goals and being a “60 goal scorer”. Even Ovi isn’t a “60 goal scorer” though he’s scored 65 once. He’s a perennial 50+ goal guy

To me it seems like Liljegren's ceiling is a number 4/5 dman. Pulock would be the number 1 RHD on a lot of teams in the league. I don't think the trade would happen but the value isn't far off at all imo

I mean he said potential 60 goal scorer, but I get what ur Tryanna say

Both you and @Lyle_Bubas said "potential 60 goal scorer" in previous comments. That's the same thing as saying he could score 60. At the very least that's how I took it and am pretty sure that's how he (Lyle) meant it.

i don't think calling matthews a potential 60 goal scorer is an overreach. he has more goals than every player other than ovi since entering the league, 1st at 5v5. He scored 40 as a rookie, scored at a 45 goal pace over 2 injury-riddled years (still 34 and 37 goals across 62-68 games), and this year had 47 goals in 70 games. After keefe took over he was scoring at a 58 goal pace, and he also was playing some of the best defensive hockey of his career while scoring at a crazy high pace. He did all that before turning 23.

barzal might play better under an offense focused scheme, he had 85 points in his first year (before trotz), but he's not remotely as good as matthews, not even close, his career high is 22 goals. I know he's a 2 way guy, he's not a sniper, more of a playmaker by the looks of it, but between that and a pure, legit, franchise 1C like matthews with the pure goal scoring that he can do, no way

pulock is good, but we don't need him. We have Muzz/Brodie/Rielly, Holl was passable, we have sandin and liljegren in the system - we just don't need pulock, esp considering he'd prob walk in 2 years anyway. If we're upgrading the D at this point, it's to get a #4, not another #1, we already have 1, arguably 2 of those (Muzz/Rielly)

Miscommunication. I agree he COULD score 60 goals but it’s definitely not gonna be a consistent thing

I mean if you’re saying Matthew’s COULD score 60 goals then yes I agree. But that would probably be a career high and not a consistent thing.

Cool. Neat agm here. Very underrated element:

Matthews UFA 4
Barzal RFA 3

Sure Barzal will insist on a 10×15 type deal at that point but only a small % of FAs sign with previous team and NYI in 2023 won't be a great situation

I agree, I think this trade makes the Leafs better and the Islanders worse but I don't think Leafs fans see it that way

chart time

just some defensive stats


some overall numbers


numbers don't tell everything, but I maintain that the leafs kinda wouldn't need him. Our 1,2,3 of muzz/brodie/rielly are pretty good, esp if rielly can stay healthy. Holl is my only concern and Pulock would be a little overkill, esp at his cap hit

I'm surprised his numbers don't look that good (for some specific stats), I thought he was a lot better. Maybe it's just from being in Trotz's system?? It's strange, cause he IS good.

No, of course not. There have been like forty 60 goal seasons ever. Only two since the year 2000 if I'm not mistaken; it's not sustainable. But for the remainder of Matthews' contract at least, in any given (full) season, it's well within the realm of possibility that he hits that mark.

which stats are you referring to?